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Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by Barrin92 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:12PM (#25378767)
Yes, in the same way it's the job of the bartender to check if there are underaged drinkers in the bar and do their due diligence. Delegation of responsibility is necessary because 1. nobody wants to live in a police state because that's what you need if everything would immediately be escalated to law enforcement, 2. the owner of an establishment has domain knowledge that the police does not have, 3. handing the responsibility over to law enforcement would immediately give law enforcement an excuse to have total access to all private matters, harming everyone else's privacy.
Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by wcoenen on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:42PM (#25379120)
Applying your own bartender analogy, in this case pornhub should be properly policing the content made available on their website. Mastercard doesn't have any useful domain knowledge.
Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by Barrin92 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:51PM (#25379219)
They should (as far as they can), and Mastercard should take responsibility as far as they can. Both should take appropriate levels of responsibility given the capacity and scope that they have. I assume Pornhub already does try to directly address child abuse that is obvious from the content, I assume Mastercard can go further and identify child abuse based on known entities in their payment system, and so on. And if both fail, they should delegate information upwards, but only then.
Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by Spooky23 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:12PM (#25380628)
Porn isn’t business any processor wants to be publicly associated with.

If there’s evidence that the site isn’t policing itself, they are gone.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by ogre_codes on Friday December 11, 2020 @12:46AM (#25382731)
MC & Visa do business with thousands (millions?) of adult shops in the US. They have no moral compass or concerns about being involved in financial transactions with porn purveyors.

They do have a tremendous aversion to people involved in criminal activity or at high risk of doing so. Once PH started publicly flirting with that threshold they got dumped.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by Spooky23 on Friday December 11, 2020 @11:41AM (#25387657)
The morality police are the police.

It's a different scope. Porn shops sell product in one place and local authorities deal with that. A bigger entity with interstate impact is a federal matter and penalties are much more severe.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by ogre_codes on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:58PM (#25381356)
This bartender analogy is terrible...

But in this case, the drunk in question just crashed his car on the street corner just outside the bar and is stumbling up to the bar to get a drink.

Given recent news, it's pretty clear that PornHub's controls on content were terrible. There is little evidence the measures they put in place are sufficient or even that they've effectively purged all media that features underaged or non-consenting participants.

PornHub needs to show they have implemented effective controls over content. Google did it with YouTube. Facebook deals with it. Even this forum has a mechanism for preventing illegal activity.

MasterCard doesn't need domain expertise when there is a smoking gun in public. It's up to PornHub at this point to prove they have effective controls.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by notyourday on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:43PM (#25390718)
I am breathlessly awaiting MC and VISA to dump Facebook, Instagram and Reddit.

The amount of sex trafficing content there makes pornhub look like a church going virgin.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by McDyver on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:30PM (#25378994)
I believe you're contradicting yourself.

In your example, if the underage drinkers pay using MasterCard, then it's MCs job to check, as they're doing to pornhub.

MasterCard should stay out of it, as they do in other situations.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by Barrin92 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:34PM (#25379033)
>, if the underage drinkers pay using MasterCard, then it's MCs job to check

no, a bartender is always obligated to verify the age of people who enter their establishment if in doubt, regardless of how they pay. You won't get off the hook selling booze to minors because they pay digitally.

And that is actually very reasonable for the exact reason I pointed out, if it was MC's responsibility they would have an immediate excuse to snoop into my purchasing history for every minor transaction. (which they already have to a far too large degree).

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by UnFleshedOne on Thursday December 10, 2020 @05:01PM (#25379343)
Aren't you contradicting yourself? In this case pornhub is the bartender, and MC is MC. Here we have a few underage drinkers tricking or convincing a bartender to pour a drink, and MC is stopping payment processing for the bar and you agree that's the right thing?
Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by Spooky23 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @07:15PM (#25380659)
Its a bad analogy.

If an online liquor store was systematically ignoring ABC laws and shipping booze to underage customers across state lines, MC would probably act in a similar way.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by Barrin92 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @05:07PM (#25379433)
No, I'm not contradicting myself, I'm saying the level of authority should be appropriate to the issue at hand. Child abuse apparently widespread enough to go beyond Pornhub's already existing moderation implies some responsibility for the payment processors, and also at the end of the day responsibility of the law enforcement. What I'm saying is there is no division of labour in the sense of outsourcing everything to law enforcement, or everything to Pornhub.
Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by McDyver on Thursday December 10, 2020 @04:51PM (#25379223)
Exactly.

MasterCard has nothing to do with verifying the legality of the transaction - pornhub, or whoever, should do their due diligence to validate everything is legal.

Re:MasterCard to stop processing payments on Pornhub, cites ... by notyourday on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:53PM (#25390837)
Facebook

Reddit

Instagram

Vimeo

Snapchat

CashApp

Venmo

Every single one of these companies has trafficking minors problem. All of them dwarf pornhub's.