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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by lalaland1125 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:42PM (#25364567)
This comment is really weird. There is a good reason why the media publishes more negative articles about some presidents and fewer on others; some presidents are legitimately better or worse than others.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by slcjordan on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @09:08PM (#25368705)
I thought it was a good comment. I don't know why the left fears a legitimately impartial press instead of one that leaks debate questions to the Democratic candidate.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by nfoz on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @09:51PM (#25369048)
Source for the debate question leak? The one I know of was given to Clinton against Sanders in the Democratic primary... so it was the "further left" being antagonized lol. But if there's a recent instance of this between a Democrat vs Republican debate I'd be interested to hear of it.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by sgustard on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:55AM (#25370300)
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by domnomnom on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:39AM (#25370553)
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by ugh123 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:45AM (#25370981)
That is about the primary, not the presidential debate.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by Merman_Mike on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:53PM (#25377006)
It's funny when people try to play this up as some huge scandal.

Someone told Clinton's campaign manager that there would be a question by a woman experiencing heath problems related to Flint's water supply. [1]

The debate was being held in Flint.

Do you think maybe everyone kind of knew that one was coming?

[1] https://thehill.com/policy/cybersecurity/303556-emails-brazi...

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by disgrunt on Thursday December 10, 2020 @10:45AM (#25374898)
Seriously? This president has not started/entered into a war for the first time since Carter, reformed the criminal justice system to reverse laws that unfairly targeted minorities and non-violent drug crimes (laws supported by Biden when they were passed, btw), presided over a record low unemployment rate and record high wage increases for American workers prior to the pandemic and the media treats him like he's the reincarnation of Hitler.

Imagine if Obama reformed the criminal justice system, wasn't a war monger in Syria/Libya and presided over a record economic boom? He'd be made a saint or something.

Go figure.

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by slg on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:16PM (#25367586)
> the media stands behind the fact he's cognitively sound when he obviously isn't.

I am going to ignore the rest of your post and use this specific aspect to highlight something. Joe Biden has had a stutter his entire life. Stutters take an extensive and persistent amount of work to overcome. They are likely to return during times of increased stress, decreased sleep, or when one ages. There is zero evidence that Biden has experienced any kind of mental decline. All the evidence that people point to of him stumbling over his words, calling someone by the wrong title, or whatever other examples you have are almost certainly just symptoms and coping mechanisms used by someone with a stutter.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by jejones3141 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @10:54PM (#25369476)
Stuttering is an unfortunate condition, but it has to do with pronouncing words and problems speaking fluently. I've never heard a stutterer say the sorts of things Biden says.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by slg on Thursday December 10, 2020 @01:20AM (#25370431)
Which is why I pointed out not just symptoms, but also coping mechanisms. It isn't uncommon for stutters to try to say a word or have a word come to mind and know they can't get it out. That will lead to them searching for a replacement word. This type of self editing is incredibly difficult to do smoothly, especially when you have a camera on you any time you are out in public. It can easily result in the type of fumbling you see from Biden that doesn't come across as stuttering.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by SurfingToad on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:54PM (#25367324)
The Hunter Biden story was such an embarrassingly obvious piece of kompromat that it would have irresponsible to run with it just because the Trump campaign tried to push it out there. The reason why several major media outlets ignored the story is that they didn't want to play ball this time. They have written about this. They don't have an obligation to present strategically-crafted stories as if it were real news.

Do you think Trump is throwing pardons around just for shits and giggles? This is the first time ever that a US president has been using pardons as get-out-of-jail-free cards for his friends and allies. And he's throwing them around because he has a habit of associating himself with criminals who commit crimes (on his behalf) and therefore need pardons.

Trump wants to pardon his family, Giuliani, and potentially even himself. Which would not make the slightest bit of sense unless they had committed serious crimes. And if you argue that he wants to use the pardons to prevent those pesky democrats from setting him up, I want you to imagine a scenario where Biden was doing the exact same thing.

Biden and Harris will be scrutinized in much the same way presidents and their VPs have been traditionally. Trump is an anomaly.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by ed25519FUUU on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:22PM (#25367671)
> The Hunter Biden story was such an embarrassingly obvious piece of kompromat

The whole point of kompromat is that you keep it a secret. Once it's in the open it can no longer be used for leverage.

> he has a habit of associating himself with criminals who commit crimes

Whether or not what you're saying is true, I'd suggest reading up on the "other side" of the story for people like Flynn.

Let's make distrusting the intelligence agencies cool again.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by disgrunt on Thursday December 10, 2020 @10:59AM (#25375083)
> Do you think Trump is throwing pardons around just for shits and giggles? This is the first time ever that a US president has been using pardons as get-out-of-jail-free cards for his friends and allies. And he's throwing them around because he has a habit of associating himself with criminals who commit crimes (on his behalf) and therefore need pardons.

Roger Clinton, Susan McDougal and Mark Rich say hi.

Oh, and Obama pardoned, commuted, or rescinded the conviction of 1,927 people. Trump so far? 45. [0]

[0]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_people_pardoned_or_gra...

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by vharuck on Friday December 11, 2020 @12:44PM (#25388424)
Roger Clinton was pardoned for a 1985 conviction after having served his sentence. The pardon removed the conviction from his record, but the punishment had already taken place.

Similarly, McDougal had finished serving her sentences after conviction by the time she was pardoned.

Rich did get pardoned before standing trial, but that was because he fled the country in 1983 when he learned there would be charges. So this is a case of a pardon preventing trial and punishment.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by djsumdog on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:54PM (#25367998)
> Do you think Trump is throwing pardons around just for shits and giggles?

Well he gave Flynn a pardon because Flynn was railroaded by Sullivan. I doubt you understand this case, because Flynn's original attorney had a conflict of interest with the prosecutor. Powell, via discovery, found text messages of FBI agents trying to find something, anything, to entrap Flynn with. They went after his family, his kids!

When all this came to light, the prosecutors said they would dismiss. Sullivan said they couldn't. In an unprecedented move, Sullivan assigned an americus (friend of the court) to see if they could prosecute Flynn for perjury because he plead guilty when he was really innocent.

Let that sink in. Sullivan wanted Flynn prosecuted for perjury BECAUSE HE PLEAD GUILTY WHEN HE WAS ACTUALLY INNOCENT. It's in the brief, which I don't think you've read. This is the definition of a Kafka trap.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by themaninthedark on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @11:50PM (#25369865)
If you go to the Hacker News story about the FL researcher who was just arrested at gunpoint, there was a thread about Aaron Swartz and plea deals.

>Our plea bargain system is so lopsided that 97% of criminal charges end with a guilty plea without a trial. Even if she is 90% sure of winning at trial, unless she has a million dollars lying around and a deathwish, it STILL isn't worth it to fight the system. - https://news.ycombinator.com/user?id=btilly

I have heard a large number of people express the same opinion and statistics but have noticed the they are quiet when it comes to Flynn.

I think if people have committed crimes, then they need to be prosecuted but also that it is better for 10 guilty to go free than 1 innocent to be sentenced.

I think what has happened to Carter Page and the sentencing guidelines for Kevin Clinesmith are a joke. As the sibling comment said

>Let's make distrusting the intelligence agencies cool again.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by djsumdog on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:01AM (#25369938)
> I think what has happened to Carter Page and the sentencing guidelines for Kevin Clinesmith are a joke

I agree entirely. The CIA literally leaked at story to Yahoo News and used that fora FISA warrant. That is pure corruption.

For anyone not familiar with the Carter Page situation, this is the best 3,000 foot overview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qODProeRQ4c

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by mike00632 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:23AM (#25370084)
Quick reminder that Flynn participated in a kidnapping plot against the US government's interest on behalf of Turkey who was paying him to be an unregistered foreign agent.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by ed25519FUUU on Thursday December 10, 2020 @03:30PM (#25378194)
Really weird he wasn’t charged with allegation.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by mike00632 on Friday December 11, 2020 @03:53AM (#25383713)
He plead down to just lying to the FBI in exchange for his cooperation (which he later didn't provide).
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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by djsumdog on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:49PM (#25367937)
> idiot who told people to inject bleach

This literally didn't happen. His whole "cleansing" statement was cringy, yes. But he never told them to drink, inject or enema bleach. There was one person who did, for whatever reasons ... and really we should have let that problem solve itself.

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by mike00632 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @12:20AM (#25370067)
You're right. It was about injecting "disinfectant". The lying media keeps saying "bleach" when he was actually talking about bringing stuff like Lysol into the body.

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/donald-trump/trump-suggests...

Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by Andrew_nenakhov on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:53PM (#25364756)
By this metric, Vladimir Putin and Kim Jong Un are greatest leaders the world has ever seen.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by knowaveragejoe on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:54PM (#25367321)
No serious person with an interest in politics respects the state-sponsored news outlets of Russia or DPRK, but okay.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:02AM (#25370710)
No-one respects CNN and the likes also. They are just like Newsmax, but serving the opposite side.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by lalaland1125 on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:09AM (#25370755)
Do you seriously believe that CNN's standards for truth are just as bad as Newsmax? That's quite a claim.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by Andrew_nenakhov on Thursday December 10, 2020 @02:44AM (#25370974)
I see their standards to be just about the same with Russian state propaganda channels. If you'd seen them both you'd be amazed with the similarity. Unless,of course, you would choose to overlook it - people often shield themselves from the information that doesn't fit their paradigm.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by ed25519FUUU on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:19PM (#25367629)
Are you implying that political pressure might mean some leaders get more bad press than others?
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by 0x445442 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:22PM (#25367666)
There's no way to square this statement given the coverage of Obama and Trump looking only at their policies.
Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by TheCoelacanth on Thursday December 10, 2020 @08:25AM (#25373423)
Why would you only look at "policies" instead of everything they do in an official capacity? "Policies" are basically just the stories that politicians tell about themselves. What they actually do matters, not just what they claim to support.