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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by disgrunt on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:14PM (#25364091)
> What is going on in the US just now is unprecedented in modern Western democracies - we've reached "peak fake news" in the USA. Mainstream news networks like Fox have talking heads spouting venomous lies that are demonstrably and trivially proven as such. The POTUS is lying on an hourly basis (many of those lies just brazenly, ridiculously false), and has millions of people believing his every word - he's personally profiting hugely, while brainwashing them and whipping them up into frenzy. It's fucking dangerous, especially with the US' lax gun laws.

Yeah, don't see a political slant here...

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by weakfish on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:20PM (#25364178)
Having a grasp on reality != political slant

You can be a conservative and acknowledge the President states falsehoods at an unseen pace.

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by disgrunt on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:35PM (#25364451)
Half truths are inherently half lies. Politicians lie. Some better than others. I'll take the bad liar over the good one myself.
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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by onli on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:53PM (#25364753)
You are talking about a president that is not accepting the result of a democrating election, exactly like he announced 4 years ago, and the republicans almost fully cooperating with him in trying to destroy the democratic system. That's way past the point of platitutes like politicians and good vs bad liars. This is Weimar.
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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by disgrunt on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:22PM (#25365250)
> You are talking about a president that is not accepting the result of a democrating election, exactly like he announced 4 years ago, and the republicans almost fully cooperating with him in trying to destroy the democratic system. That's way past the point of platitutes like politicians and good vs bad liars. This is Weimar.

Oh, please. Following the constitutional process for disputing an election is Weimar now? Could this be more Godwin's law?

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by onli on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:34PM (#25365464)
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/arizona-gop-asks-fol... - This is not the constitutional process for disputing an election. There is no constitutional processor for disputing a fair election. And this literally reflects the instability of the end phase of Weimar.

Sometimes reality just reaches that point where Godwin's law references are not funny anymore.

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by disgrunt on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @05:23PM (#25366117)
> This is not the constitutional process for disputing an election. There is no constitutional processor for disputing a fair election. And this literally reflects the instability of the end phase of Weimar.

Therein lies the rub. If a court is not the venue, then what is the venue?

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by nl on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:21PM (#25366902)
> If a court is not the venue, then what is the venue?

I think the parent poster was referring to the link they posted which says:

"Arizona GOP asks followers if they'd die to overturn Trump loss".

That seems to go well beyond a court challenge.

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by disgrunt on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @07:14PM (#25367564)
There's stupid on both sides. For example:

> In a three-minute video posted to her Facebook page, the Democrat from Detroit said "This is just a warning to you Trumpers... be careful. Tread lightly. We ain't playin' with you..." > Johnson then added "And for those of you who are soldiers... you know how to do it. Do it right. Be in order. Make them pay." [0]

[0]: https://www.zerohedge.com/political/make-them-pay-michigan-l...

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by jboog on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @05:39PM (#25366315)
Pressuring state lawmakers to throw out the outcome of an election because you lost is the "constitutional process" now?

Filing frivolous lawsuits based on not one shred of evidence other than "too many Dems voted!" is the "constitutional process" now?

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by jcranmer on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:32PM (#25365430)
If you think this is the constitutional process for disputing an election, you're mistaken.

Trump is arguing that (a) SCOTUS should (b) order several states to have their legislatures appoint new electors (c) on the basis of a suit brought by Texas against several other states (d) alleging that state court rulings modifying electoral law (in accordance with state statutes) are unconstitutionally overruling state legislatures' ability to determine their electors. (See http://www.supremecourt.gov/DocketPDF/22/22O155/163234/20201...)

There are 4 separate elements in that assertion that are each unprecedented in terms of disputing an election. SCOTUS is not the venue for election disputes; state courts are. No one has ever before argued that state legislators can appoint electors in lieu of popular vote, and as some briefs have pointed out, several state statutes (including some of the states involved here!) expressly forbid that. No state has ever before tried to challenge the election procedures of another state. And the legal basis for doing all of this is itself without precedent.

This is not normal.

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by cityofdelusion on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:38PM (#25367140)
There is no constitutional process for disputing an election, there are only rules on the electing process itself. This is uncharted territory and will remain so unless the supreme court creates a new precedent.
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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by thebigman433 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:55PM (#25364781)
The president and most of his party is spouting off complete lies. They claim massive fraud and say they have evidence, but every time they get an opportunity to prove it, they are unable to. Its not a half lie, its a full one.
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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by disgrunt on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @04:14PM (#25365107)
Have you read the complaints they've filed? It's public information.

"No evidence" is the lie here.

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by nl on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @06:17PM (#25366841)
Perhaps you'd prefer "no substantiated evidence"? There's none that has stood up in the multiple court cases so far.
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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by Daishiman on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:19PM (#25364155)
There is definitely a political slant. It just turns out that one side is obviously factually true for all neutral observers, and the other side is in the equivalent of a collective psychotic break from reality.
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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by newfriend on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:29PM (#25364358)
The political party I agree with is factually correct! The other party is insane!

I wonder if the people you disagree with would say the exact same thing?

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by Daishiman on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:41PM (#25364559)
> The political party I agree with is factually correct! The other party is insane!

Yes buddy, sorry to be hard about it, but sometimes you're right and the other side is wrong. It's not about partisanship; it's about objective reality.

And the objective reality is that for anyone who's not stuck on the Fox/OANN spin cycle (which includes the billions of US outside the US watching from afar) the results are clear, conclusive and bright as day.

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by bob33212 on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:43PM (#25364595)
Certainly there are videos made by Democrats which include wild inaccuracies.

You have to draw the line somewhere. Imagine someone buying all the toilet paper in a town and then running targeted adds on-line to start panic buying. So they can sell theirs. At some point Google becomes an accessory to price gouging law.

What if Trump ends up in prison for violating the oath of the office? Does Google have no liability in helping him commit his crimes?

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Re:YouTube to remove content that alleges widespread electio... by SauciestGNU on Wednesday December 09, 2020 @03:35PM (#25364456)
The problem here is that objective reality is being politicized. There are two parties claiming to have won the election, and one of those claims must be false. But the partisans of the losing side are creating a parallel set of beliefs not based in fact, and creating a media ecosystem around those lies, and it is entirely possible for believers in those lies to avoid all truthful sources of information.

What's more is that the language used by the losing party is extremely dangerous. Just yesterday, the verified Twitter account for the Arizona GOP asked its followers if they were ready to die for the cause of keeping Trump in power. Disinformation does not exist in a vacuum, and it is being used actively to cultivate violence.

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