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Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by ghaff on Monday December 07, 2020 @05:25PM (#25338551)
And SF wrt cars only to some degree. I know a couple who decamped to SF and sold their cars when their kids got older. They do indeed live without owning cars. They also use Ubers, ZipCars, and regular rental all the time.

I think a lot depends on what you're used to. I think a lot of folks accept the limited mobility they knew through school when they graduate. It becomes less acceptable as they get older. Many exceptions of course.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by reddog on Monday December 07, 2020 @06:38PM (#25339325)
>They do indeed live without owning cars. They also use Ubers, ZipCars, and regular rental all the time.

Is there that much of a difference between owning a car and renting a car or using Zip or having a chauffer (Lyft, Uber, taxis) tote you around? I'd get rid of my car too if I could afford to have Uber haul me everywhere.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by chao- on Monday December 07, 2020 @06:44PM (#25339367)
>Is there that much of a difference between owning a car...? I'd get rid of my car too if I could afford to have Uber haul me everywhere.

With reference to my sibling comment, definitively yes. I personally spent less on a handful of Lyft rides per month in Houston than I did on insurance alone when I owned a car. Never mind the cost of the vehicle itself, gas, any repairs...

Even adding in the cost of my rail and bus rides, still doesn't come close to the cost of a vehicle.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by fomine3 on Monday December 07, 2020 @09:11PM (#25340792)
But SF is one of the most expensive living cost, so I suspect that spending for cars isn't much issue.
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by joshuamorton on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @01:44AM (#25342583)
Before I sold my car, I spent more on parking (in my apartment) than I did in an average month if ride-sharing.
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by moonka on Monday December 07, 2020 @09:34PM (#25340974)
>Is there that much of a difference between owning a car and renting a car or using Zip or having a chauffer (Lyft, Uber, taxis) tote you around? I'd get rid of my car too if I could afford to have Uber haul me everywhere.

It's a difference in frequency of use. In Seattle, a lot of my friends don't have cars, but use Rideshare/rentals when they need it. If you are using it a couple times a week, pretty easy to stay under the cost of car ownership when you factor in insurance/parking/maintenance etc.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by twblalock on Monday December 07, 2020 @06:48PM (#25339411)
Parking in SF tends to really suck, and at least if you take an Uber you don't need to circle the neighborhood for half an hour to find a spot.
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by mistersquid on Monday December 07, 2020 @09:30PM (#25340940)
> Is there that much of a difference between owning a car and renting a car or using Zip

The cost of owning a car in California including maintenance, fuel, parking, registration, smog check, etc. can be upwards of $10K per year. At least it was for me when I owned a car.

I walk most places and use car share or rent as necessary. I do not spend $10K per year on car share and rentals.

Literally, YMMV.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by ghaff on Monday December 07, 2020 @06:42PM (#25339352)
I guess it still works out for them. They also rent their parking space to someone else. And he rides a bike, etc. And they use public transit. But, yeah, it's dependent on having a number of car options also available.
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by rightbyte on Monday December 07, 2020 @06:44PM (#25339374)
And use home delivery! You outsourced the car dependency to poor gig workers.
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by chao- on Monday December 07, 2020 @06:27PM (#25339205)
You can make a lot of things work in a lot of places. I have lived in both Dallas and Houston without a car, for example (but also Berlin, Santiago, Tokyo, so I have comparison points). If you don't have kids, and have the freedom to plan a bit around where you live and work, you won't really feel like you're missing anything. I would take a trip via Lyft twice a month to some venue that's further away than the bike/rail/bus combo could get me, but that's about all.
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by ghaff on Monday December 07, 2020 @06:45PM (#25339379)
TBH though, I'm mostly not interested in "making things work" if I have more convenient options. At one point, I spent a lot of time in Houston and I absolutely needed a car--for my job if nothing else. But even living in New Orleans at that time I absolutely needed a car for my job.
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by sutterbomb on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @12:50AM (#25342330)
What’s a good neighborhood or two in Houston where it’s possible to do this?
Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by chao- on Tuesday December 08, 2020 @02:57AM (#25342991)
The easiest in terms of pure transit is the corridor in Midtown along the Red Line. From about Alabama up to Downtown. Second is Montrose which for some people will have a cooler vibe.

Within Midtown, the further North you go, there are a few more bars/clubs that make noise at night, so either live further South, live a few blocks East or West of the rail, or both. Huge amounts of apartment stock just came online in the last 3 years there, so you might get a solid rent deal somewhere? For me personally, being able to walk to a grocery store is always key anywhere in the world: shop every 2-3 days on the way home from work, only buy what I need, less waste. That area has two grocery stores: Randall's and Whole Foods.

Montrose is the other top spot. For me it is the #1 example of how Houston's lack of zoning can shine (versus other areas where it is a detriment). Fantastic local retail interspersed among every-other residential block. Montrose is a large-ish area and every half mile can be a slightly different "feel", but there are great options to rent newer apartments, older apartments, or rent spacious, cheap, historical houses close to things like Menil Park, or the big restaurant scene along Westheimer. Sadly the Kroger at Hawthorne is closing, but the huge HEB is dead-center of Montrose. East a bit and you're near Trader Joe's. If you're anywhere along Westheimer, the 82 bus goes to to Midtown Whole Foods and if you're along West Gray the 32 bus goes to the Kroger near River Oaks. The whole area always has things happening (check the pinboards at Inversion or Black Hole), and is next door to Midtown for even more.

If Downtown would get a larger grocery store with slightly more affordable staples (no offense to Phoenecia), and have it close-ish to where the rail lines meet, the entirety of Downtown would immediately become more viable (imo). I have friends both in Downtown, and in the Heights (solid bike culture there), but they eat out more than I do. The Heights started getting expensive ten years ago and doesn't look to stop, but it's still an option.

In about 5 years I think the Greater East End will be another great walkable/bikeable region (the actual East End, not EaDo), so depending where along the gentrification curve you prefer to live (before, during, after) it might be worth checking out now.

Re:Tech elites leaving San Francisco threaten Silicon Valley... by sutterbomb on Sunday December 13, 2020 @06:29PM (#25411560)
Thanks so much, appreciate it