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Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web by jl6 on Saturday December 05, 2020 @03:20PM (#25317914)
The answer is probably not in building a system, but by individuals putting in the effort to challenge misinformation in the contexts where it is deployed. I feel the phrase “don’t feed the trolls” and XKCD 386 have caused a generation to give up on fighting the good fight, while the trolls have not given up.

I don’t think there is a lot of radical strategy needed here - just a lot of hard work and vigilance.

When you see misinformation, take the effort to call it out, and hope that your civility and reasonableness win over the silent audience.

Easier said than done when dealing with echo-chamber communities, but those communities have to spill out into your own world at some point, and I guess that’s the point to tackle it.

Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web by wincy on Saturday December 05, 2020 @06:51PM (#25319558)
I don’t know, my wife spends literal hours a day arguing with people on Facebook about COVID-19, citing CDC statistics, sometimes arguing with 20 people at a time.

The problem is the flow of all this goes something like.

1) A friend of hers posts something factually incorrect about COVID or lockdowns.

2) My wife posts a carefully worded and cited response.

3) Four or five people react with laugh or angry emojis.

4) someone weighs in and tells my wife how stupid and dumb she is, and how she is completely wrong. They often say this in a very nasty way.

5) She responds in a firm but not rude way that she believes they are wrong. She cites sources.

6) This person never responds again, and drops off.

7) A new person weighs in, generally rudely, making ad hominem attacks about her weight or whatever else they can.

8) She argues with them as well, never personally attacking them. She focuses on facts and statistics.

9) Over the course of hours she starts to accumulate likes and a significant number of people thumbs up her responses despite not saying anything.

I don’t know how she manages it, honestly. I can’t argue like this at all, it’s completely draining. She likes to think that because the threads are so active that hundreds of people are watching and she’s helping to change minds to think more rationally. But it’s hard to know for sure, and I don’t think most people have the psychological wherewithal that she has to deal with how abrasive and rude all these people are to her.

Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web by skinkestek on Sunday December 06, 2020 @02:37AM (#25321860)
> 2) My wife posts a carefully worded and cited response.

> 3) Four or five people react with laugh or angry emojis.

> 4) someone weighs in and tells my wife how stupid and dumb she is, and how she is completely wrong. They often say this in a very nasty way.

> 5) She responds in a firm but not rude way that she believes they are wrong. She cites sources.

> 6) This person never responds again, and drops off.

Happens to me as well in other forums.

I have decided I'm not doing it for those people, but rather for those who would otherwise read the post, see it was uncontested and think "therefore it must be true".

Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web by jl6 on Sunday December 06, 2020 @02:47AM (#25321888)
Kudos to her for trying. I’m sure it feels like picking up a single bag of litter while mass pollution continues all around us, but change starts small and if only more people put in the effort to contest nonsense when they see it, we’d be further ahead than any technological solution to misinformation.
Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web by HaloZero on Saturday December 05, 2020 @03:50PM (#25318200)
I think we've seen that doesn't work. It's incredibly difficult to counter misinformation because there's SO MUCH OF IT. Plus you can't assume the general populace has the time or energy to do it. If I'm working 10 hour retail shift, help tuck the kids in, and then check FB.

Why do you think I have the time to check my friend's post for disinformation? Yes I can be skeptical of it but sometimes it's hard to decipher that especially when it may confirm to your own biases.

Re:Maybe we shouldn't want a fully decentralized web by GhostVII on Saturday December 05, 2020 @03:57PM (#25318267)
You can counter misinformation on a particular topic scalably by gathering a set of authoritative sources of information on it, and presenting them in places where there is discussion about that topic (ex. YouTube putting COVID info links on videos). Now of course some people won't believe that information, but those people weren't going to have their mind changed regardless of what you do.