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Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by SamuelAdams on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:22AM (#25303216)
Also consider the climate / weather. Paris might be OK during the winter, but some place like Michigan might have very terrible winters - walking around outside is possible but not terribly fun, cycling on icy sidewalks is also generally not a good experience. In almost all cases in the winter it's easier to be in a climate controlled method of transportation, which for most people is a private vehicle.

During the summer months it's great though.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by fpoling on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:35AM (#25303392)
In Oslo snow and ice can lasts up to 5 months. Yet it does not prevent people from going outside as city does reasonable job in general to keep pavements walkable. Surely that can be improved, but I do not see how one can blame climate and not local city government for snow heaps with ice on the pavements.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by sandworm101 on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:11AM (#25303910)
>> In Oslo snow and ice can lasts up to 5 months.

According to wikipedia, average lows in Oslo are about -5. That's pretty warm. Salt still melts snow at those temperatures. Even sunlight will melt snow on pavement at -5. But below around -10/-15 salt stops melting ice, vastly increasing the manpower needed to clear roads/sidewalks. Clearing ice at proper winter temperatures requires mechanical means, hammers, if not propane torches.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by joshspankit on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:56AM (#25304652)
Where I grew up (Edmonton, Alberta), the winter is a force to be reckoned with as not only does the sun not melt the snow away once it’s settled in October, but “warm” days bring 6+inches of slush that can then freeze solid to the roads and sidewalks if it’s not cleared before nightfall.

Biking was practically impossible (and very dangerous), and sometimes even walking a few blocks was a challenge. That being said, I’d still advocate for places like Edmonton being “15-min” cities, and in-fact it would make it much easier in the winter when transportation is more limited.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by johnwalkr on Saturday December 05, 2020 @12:43AM (#25312112)
Edmonton (also where I grew up) was actually a leader in transit in the 70s and 80s, although it obviously hasn't kept up. Having an LRT in such a low density coverage, and good (although slow) coverage by bus using a hub and spoke network was pretty progressive at the time.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by sandworm101 on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:52PM (#25305470)
Edmonton is cold, but it isn't Fort Mack cold.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by joshspankit on Friday December 04, 2020 @02:13PM (#25306399)
Never been, but I could see that for sure.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by fpoling on Friday December 04, 2020 @05:54PM (#25309427)
There is no need to remove ice. Just put some sand on it.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by closeparen on Friday December 04, 2020 @04:21PM (#25308196)
My dad commutes by bike through the winter in the Midwest. It's a whole production to winterize the bike, dress up in specialized gear, etc. Only the elite few, most hardcore bike commuters from the summer are still doing it in the winter. Maybe Oslo is a gentler winter, maybe people there just have stronger constitutions, but I do not see the average Midwesterner doing this ever.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by leesalminen on Friday December 04, 2020 @04:49PM (#25308573)
I also know 1 person that bikes to work every day of the year in Colorado. Even when snowing and -10 degrees. Even after getting into multiple collisions with cars. Everyone, including his wife, thinks he’s a nutcase. It’s just not practical around here.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by emj on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:24PM (#25311064)
Being labeled a nutcase for cycling is a cultural issue, -25°C isn't that bad as long as the roads and bicycle paths are plowed.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by msla on Friday December 04, 2020 @02:37PM (#25306688)
It isn't just snow, it's windblown snow which reduces visibility to nothing. How often does that happen in Oslo? Ever?
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by soperj on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:50AM (#25303626)
I have a friend who lives in the Yukon (Alaska but colder), who cycles to work every day all year long. It's all about having the right equipment.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by nradov on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:08AM (#25303883)
It's certainly possible with the right equipment but most people prefer to be warm, dry, safe, and comfortable. Those lucky enough to have indoor parking can go straight from home to car to work without even putting on a jacket. Cycling is going to be a tough sell with them.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by soperj on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:47AM (#25304479)
Sure, but that has a cost on everyone else. Make them bare that cost, and actually make the decision as opposed to saying that the opposite is impossible.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by rektide on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:34AM (#25304265)
I feel like the issue here is 40% individual resistance/convenience, & 60% cultural. The society doesn't have role models for them, of people who do cycle regularly in a variety of weathers.

In heavy bike using cultures, people have gear ready to go. Spending a minute to put it on is not really a barrier, an inconvenience. If there is a practice. If your environment supports it, by having plowed routes for bikes, bike parking.

I think we overrate the convenience & comfort factor. Don't knock it till you be tried it. You might like it! There is some real difficulty when your society self selects to only support & assist one mode of transit, doesn't have bike parking readily available, doesn't have safe paths for biking. And trying to embrace biking on your own, learn how to do it comfortably & safely, when few others do, that's hard. But I think the inherent comfort g convenience of cars is somewhat/greatly overrated. The mindset is that biking is inconvenient, but so many who successfully live it will tell you, it's easy & it feels great.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by odessacubbage on Friday December 04, 2020 @04:04PM (#25307951)
*just as long as you don't have chronic pain or a mobility-limiting disability.

there's also the issue of those with pre-dawn and night commutes, these people are disproportionately lower income and live farther and farther away from gentrified city centers. it is not uncommon to see as much as a 20+ degree drop once the sun goes down and you'd better hope there's no windchill on top of that.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by shortandsweet on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:05AM (#25303841)
What equipment do they use? I'm totally interested in doing this.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by Fishkins on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:26PM (#25307361)
I'm in Wisconsin and bike all year. I have a hybrid with studded tires (specifically Nokian) and an internal hub. I'd also like to get a fat bike for fresh/powdery snow, but it's rare that's a big deal. There's of course some trade-off between how much traction/stability your tires give you and how much friction & inertia you have to work against when pedaling. Some people have a few different winter options so they can select the bike that will be easiest to propel but still be able to handle the particular day's conditions.

It's good to have warm clothes for your extremities, but your core gets surprisingly warm when you bike with any kind of coat on. I often just wear a think goretex jacket till it's in the single digits fahrenheit. I wear winter boots, warm gloves or mittens (depending on how cold it is), and a balaclava or gaiter. Also ski goggles for really cold/windy weather. If you don't start off feeling somewhat cold, you've overdressed.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by joel_dice on Friday December 04, 2020 @05:24PM (#25309072)
I've been biking year-round in Denver for decades. The winters here are relatively mild, but we do get blizzards now and then.

I tried studded tires, but found they didn't help much. Black ice is rare here compared to layers of snow and slush, which don't give studs much to bite into. For me, three inch tires with an open tread pattern at low pressure -- plus an upright riding position that distributes weight evenly between the wheels -- gives me the most confidence.

Regarding the cold, I'd say windproofing is most important, and expedition-style mittens are well worth the investment. You won't need much insulation (except maybe at the extremities) once you start generating body heat. Multiple top layers, each with their own full length zipper, will let you regulate your temperature without getting off the bike. That's especially helpful if you have long climbs and long descents.

Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by soperj on Friday December 04, 2020 @11:53AM (#25304588)
I think the main thing is studded tires, and ski jacket. Whitehorse isn't exactly a big town, at most you're 10km from where you want to go, but mostly it's 5km or under. I could follow up and get his exact equipment if you'd like?
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by msla on Friday December 04, 2020 @02:38PM (#25306696)
What's the equipment for a zero-visibility blizzard?
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by Fargren on Friday December 04, 2020 @03:16PM (#25307200)
I've never been in a zero-visibility blizzard, but I assume you also wouldn't drive at that point.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by leesalminen on Friday December 04, 2020 @04:54PM (#25308646)
You shouldn’t be, at least. Last winter I was driving back home from town and the weather flipped on a dime. Ended up in white-out conditions on a windy mountain road. Luckily a police car had their lights on pulled over on the side of the road. We pulled over behind them and waited it out. It was the scariest drive I’ve ever done and I drive that road every day.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by nemetroid on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:34AM (#25303383)
Walking and cycling in winter in Stockholm (or, for that matter, Umeå) is fine.
Re:Paris to ‘get rid of 70k parking spaces’ by numpad0 on Friday December 04, 2020 @10:40AM (#25303476)
Sounds like rail stations in walking distances from homes connecting to mega shopping malls is the solution...