News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by southstreet on Thursday December 03, 2020 @02:16PM (#25293218)
"feedback" here seems to refer to feedback on the scientific paper that is being retracted, not personal performance feedback or anything like that. When I red this first, wasn't immediately clear what this was about.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by black_puppydog on Thursday December 03, 2020 @02:45PM (#25293669)
Good point, that also took a bit of disentangling for me.

As such, I find it really quite baffling that someone would be unwilling to share that scientific feedback with her, or who raised it.

Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by throwaway74453 on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:44AM (#25302719)
She has a history of attacking people through social media. If I were reviewing her paper, I would certainly not want to be known to her, especially if I were critical of it. The possibility of retaliation from her is very real and she often uses her considerable twitter following to do exactly that. I believe she thinks she's doing the right thing, but from a disinterested party's perspective she seems like a bully.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by sillysaurusx on Sunday December 06, 2020 @03:09AM (#25321969)
Hello! I just wanted to point out that she addressed your point: https://twitter.com/AkhandBharat365/status/13349035240066088...

I remembered your comment here, so I came back to post this, for what it's worth.

I'm still not entirely sure what to think.

Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by dash2 on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:28PM (#25295296)
Some refereeing processes are anonymous, and there can be good reasons for that, like preventing academic logrolling. It's standard in academia.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by black_puppydog on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:43PM (#25295551)
I'm well aware of that. But this was not a (submission) peer review situation. From everything I've seen (not a complete picture of course) this was a process entirely separate from the peer review process of the conference she was submitting to. That still makes it a situation where her paper was apparently reviewed (and possibly by peers) but it certainly doesn't have the same semantics in which anonymity is warranted/guaranteed.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by ConceptJunkie on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:42PM (#25295524)
But the feedback itself wasn't shared with her. That part doesn't make sense unless management didn't want her to see it, and why would that be the case?
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by thebladerunner on Thursday December 03, 2020 @05:29PM (#25296149)
Because (a) by the rules of engagement, management is not required to share original feedback, and (b) the original feedback could be used to identify the sources. In this case, there might have been a real risk to the sources given the individual in question is known to mobilize internal and external forces like Twitter mobs to personally attack people and bully them into submission.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by dash2 on Friday December 04, 2020 @12:24AM (#25299304)
I think this argument would stand on its own without the very specific claims about the person in question, which are a little strong unless you have personal information.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by Ar-Curunir on Thursday December 03, 2020 @05:51PM (#25296444)
This is internal legal review, not academic peer review.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by dash2 on Thursday December 03, 2020 @06:21PM (#25296815)
I'm not sure we know exactly what kind of review it is. I think it also depends what she signed up for, explicitly or implicitly. What were the expectations around freedom to publish?
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by throwaway74453 on Friday December 04, 2020 @09:46AM (#25302736)
It is a review that every paper submitted to a conference or a journal from Google has to go through. In fact I believe one has to do that prior to even submitting the paper to external peer review. That at least was the interpretation every researcher I knew at Google was operating under.
Re:AI researcher Timnit Gebru resigns from Google by lawnchair_larry on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:48PM (#25294635)
Because she goes on unhinged rants and smears people by calling them racists, probably. Nobody wants to stick their hand in that hornets nest.