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Re:Stripe Treasury by rattray on Thursday December 03, 2020 @01:49PM (#25292830)
Bit of an aside, but as a new entrepreneur selling physical products (https://narwallmask.com) I've been surprised by how much time I spend banking.

Moving money around is way more of a headache than I would have anticipated. And that's before you even get into questions of working capital etc.

As a former eng at Stripe who didn't know this product was coming, I'm very excited to see what gets built on top of it, and to see innovation spurred in business fintech in general.

Re:Stripe Treasury by artvark11 on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:42PM (#25294521)
Is that an actual product or a joke page? I can't imagine anyone actually wearing something like that.
Re:Stripe Treasury by rattray on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:54PM (#25294745)
I know it can be hard to believe, but it's very real (just like COVID). Maybe this quote from a recent customer helps explain:

> I'll look like a freak in the mask, but a LIVING freak. Thank you.

We sold over 1000 of them in our first week, not many returns. I've been wearing mine for months and get way more interest/thumbs-up than "looks".

We do get our fair share of internet trolls, though.

Re:Stripe Treasury by artvark11 on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:54PM (#25295699)
It reminds me of CodysLab's mask https://youtu.be/_iwxyzXcP7k
Re:Stripe Treasury by graeme on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:56PM (#25295730)
Instant virality too. I just shared with a friend cause it’s so novel.
Re:Stripe Treasury by tricolon on Thursday December 03, 2020 @05:02PM (#25295797)
It looks much less intimidating than my Honeywell North full facepiece respirator, which I've worn in public.
Re:Stripe Treasury by rattray on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:31PM (#25294351)
(since a few folks have been interested in the mask and this is hn, I should mention that I'm currently looking for some freelance frontend dev help right now - I don't have time to fix the hideous parts of my homepage and it's giving me heartburn. Email in profile).
Re:Stripe Treasury by renewiltord on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:18PM (#25294159)
What a fascinating device! Did you find that airlines are willing to accept it? They no longer accept my half-mask respirator with P100 filters.
Re:Stripe Treasury by rattray on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:24PM (#25294258)
Thanks!

Usually yes - sometimes the gate attendant doesn't understand that the exhale is filtered (I assume this was the problem with your respirator). We have guidance on that here:

https://narwallmask.com/pages/usage-guide#h:flying

Re:Stripe Treasury by renewiltord on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:38PM (#25294458)
Yeah, I actually had an attachment to filter the exhale valve. I decided to just swap out as soon as they asked rather than explain (because I had a 3M 1860 N95 in my pocket) which seems to have been the right choice since one of them started to get belligerent about the respirator very quickly as I started taking it off. It looks like they're very sensitive to people doing non-standard things.

I'm not even one to argue with people in these situations so I was happy to play along but that attendant seemed eager to escalate.

Perhaps having the extra filters like you recommend might help, but I suspect it wouldn't have. Hope things have improved since then (a month ago on Alaska).

Re:Stripe Treasury by sebmellen on Thursday December 03, 2020 @04:51PM (#25295660)
What a shame that the flight attendants are either

1) so scared of their management that they won't listen to people explaining the masks are filtered or

2) simply unable to understand that a non-standard mask could have a filtered exhale valve (which is much safer than a cloth mask for others, too).

I had the exact same thing happen to me on 4 different flights, with the flight attendants becoming very aggressive. I brought a short note with a diagram of how the filtration works, and pointed it out to them, and they just told me "sorry, Mayo Clinic guidelines say you can't wear that." This was on United, American Airlines, and Delta.

The tip I figured out on my last flight was to wear a hoodie that covered up the respirator on the side, and then wear two surgical masks over the respirator in front. Haven't gotten a second look since then. I don't think this would be possible with the narwhal mask (unfortunately).

Re:Stripe Treasury by renewiltord on Thursday December 03, 2020 @05:01PM (#25295787)
Honestly, I was very surprised by the belligerence. My strategy for interacting with any authority with disproportionate power over me is to tend towards normalcy so I was pretty rapidly complying with the mask swap.

A friend of mine postulated that they couldn't hear me through my mask, but as I took it off and was swapping I said "I'm complying, I'm complying, I'm not arguing" in a conciliatory tone, it didn't seem to help. I was playing the 100% doormat. Didn't stop the attendant from saying to me as I was leaving to go to my seat: "It's not that dangerous".

I can only guess that they encounter people who do insist or that they are on web forums / chat groups with other attendants who have encountered people who do argue and so they're primed for someone like that. Puzzling interaction, to be honest. It was the first time I've had any sort of negative interaction with a service professional.

Re:Stripe Treasury by sebmellen on Thursday December 03, 2020 @08:23PM (#25297864)
Same here! I'm a very concilliatory person, and I always try to be courteous, but I couldn't calm any of them down (even when I was flying first class for a business trip!).

One gal even made me take off the mask and put on a surgical mask (which she gave me, she wouldn't let me wear my non-vented N95) in front of a security camera. That was pretty embarrassing, to be holding up the line, and felt like a scene out of a dystopian comedy.

I can only reason that it's for liability reasons, and the airlines don't want to be sued for someone getting infected.

But then again, people right behind me had cloth masks on with their noses exposed, who obviously didn't care, and they didn't get a second look. Neither did the airlines keep the middle seats free like they had promised too. Clown world.

Once I was on the flight I put my respirator on with a hoodie over it and slouched against the window, and they didn't bother me.

Re:Stripe Treasury by sebmellen on Thursday December 03, 2020 @05:02PM (#25295796)
What's your supply capacity on these masks? I have a friend who works in a medium-sized hospital system in the South, and we talked about using snorkelling masks back in May. (They were reusing one N95 mask for 10 days per person.) I was surprised no one had repurposed snorkelling masks yet.

I sent him the link. If he gets back to me and his hospital system is interested, perhaps we could arrange a call. Would your HN profile email be okay for reaching out?

Re:Stripe Treasury by rattray on Thursday December 03, 2020 @05:08PM (#25295867)
We have over 15,000 on the way this month (some are spoken for). Yes, do reach out!

Some folks actually did do this in April, just with 3D-printed adaptors: maskson.org and pneumask.org. They don't have built-in exhale filters, though, which limits the utility.

Re:Stripe Treasury by carabiner on Thursday December 03, 2020 @02:29PM (#25293413)
Did you design the mask from scratch, or is this a rebrand of an existing product?
Re:Stripe Treasury by rattray on Thursday December 03, 2020 @03:21PM (#25294211)
I created this product, but wouldn't say from scratch.

It's based on a full face snorkel mask, with a few adaptors for filters (instead of water) that I designed with the help of an industrial engineer and the manufacturer of the snorkel mask.

Goal was to reuse existing design and injection molds to reduce cost and increase speed to market (wanted to get them out in July, took till November!)