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Re:The Covid Science Wars by fastball on Monday November 30, 2020 @04:34PM (#25259305)
New Zealand is an island with more sheep than people.

The pop. density of NZ is 15/km2. The pop. density of France is 119/km2. France also shares land borders with 7 other countries.

Re:The Covid Science Wars by jbay808 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @12:00AM (#25262501)
And South Korea at 510/km2 and Taiwan at 651/km2...
Re:The Covid Science Wars by fastball on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @01:18AM (#25262894)
My point is that all of this is devilishly multi-variate, and it will be a while before we can disentangle everything and determine what exactly works and why.

People saying "NZ's lockdowns worked" without actually having done the hard part is not helping.

Re:The Covid Science Wars by lostlogin on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:26AM (#25263482)
Said from NZ, we did the hard hard part.

How do you think we eradicated community covid several times?

Re:The Covid Science Wars by fastball on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @09:46AM (#25265596)
The "hard part" being crunching the numbers and working to falsify your hypotheses, not lockdowns in this context.
Re:The Covid Science Wars by nimbleal on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @01:41PM (#25268288)
This would seem to be quite obviously correct. Perhaps this comment’s downvoters could explain why they disagree?
Re:The Covid Science Wars by disgruntledphd2 on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @06:58AM (#25264436)
And yet the UK is an island, and have done worse than France.

I guess my point is that this is a multi-faceted thing, and focusing on one predictor is likely to be misleading.

Re:The Covid Science Wars by hanniabu on Monday November 30, 2020 @04:40PM (#25259373)
Misleading statistic. You need to look at the density of occupied land.
Re:The Covid Science Wars by fastball on Monday November 30, 2020 @04:44PM (#25259424)
It's not misleading, it's just not as complete as it could be, because population density is a trivial statistic to determine and density of occupied land is much more difficult (for starters you need to define "occupied").

If you have stats on density of occupied land, I'm happy to work with that.

Re:The Covid Science Wars by lostlogin on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @04:06AM (#25263694)
That’s a crazy metric. Is this a thing? How do you define it? Per km? Per metre? Or just by the footprints I make in my carpet? Each gives a very different answer.
Re:The Covid Science Wars by lostlogin on Tuesday December 01, 2020 @03:31AM (#25263506)
And the US has just 36 per km/2. What’s your point?