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Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by tsm_sf on Sunday November 29, 2020 @03:33PM (#25247826)
The older I get, the more our devotion to the CLI feels like gatekeeping.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by mschaef on Monday November 30, 2020 @09:19AM (#25253926)
> The older I get, the more our devotion to the CLI feels like gatekeeping.

Nah... you can't take one of the handful of major styles of interaction with computing devices and diminish adherence to that style as just 'gatekeeping'. There are moments where the strengths of GUI interaction is useful (discovery of options, selection of individual objects, etc.), but modern systems are complex and large enough that you can't really walk away from the idea of expressing operations and state linguistically without walking away from tools you need to do your job efficiently (or at all). So yeah, maybe CLI is less accessible and more difficult for newcomers, but the problems they solve aren't necessarily easy, either.

However... I do think there are many opportunities for both better accessibility in CLI's and better interoperability between CLI's and GUI's. Better discovery of options in CLI would help (autocomplete, etc.), as would a better connection between the GUI and CLI worlds. (Lisp has some good ideas where the "terminal" remembers the object it prints and allows interaction with those objects, as opposed to just remembering a string character representation of them. Microsoft's Office applications similarly will write macro code for you as you interact with the UI - which is a great way to understand the relationship between the two worlds.)

Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by 7thaccount on Sunday November 29, 2020 @04:50PM (#25248412)
I don't see it that way. My first computer used Win95 and I didn't get into CLI until college and then seriously at work. I'm not a Unix expert, but am blown away by how much more powerful it is than Windows in many uses. I even push files to a Linux server for analysis at times as I can tear through a file with grep/cut/awk/sort/uniq and some pipes very quickly and efficiently. There are many other technologies I know, yet the simple terminal is still the best approach for many of my uses. The design has stood the test of time for a reason and the compositional approach is nice. Nobody is gatekeeping here.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by otabdeveloper4 on Sunday November 29, 2020 @04:35PM (#25248302)
Gatekeeping from what? Linux is a server OS.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by pjmlp on Sunday November 29, 2020 @04:37PM (#25248316)
Finally given up on "Year of Desktop Linux"?
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by otabdeveloper4 on Monday November 30, 2020 @04:26AM (#25252125)
I've been running desktop Linux for 20 years, but this isn't a hill I'm gonna die on. Kernel and userland developers treat Linux as a server OS first and foremost, and that's where the funding goes.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by the_af on Sunday November 29, 2020 @05:01PM (#25248494)
The year of Desktop Linux arrived for me about a decade ago. Now I work, game, watch movies, edit graphics and photos, all on Linux.

I like and want the powerful combination of the CLI and GUI applications.

Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by blub on Monday November 30, 2020 @04:09AM (#25252017)
The point of "Linux on the desktop" was not that it happens for you and the other commenter, but that Linux becomes mainstream. :) Never happened and unless something extraordinary occurs it likely never will. And Android doesn't count, obviously.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by the_af on Monday November 30, 2020 @07:49AM (#25253211)
True. But it also has the connotation that Linux is "not good enough" for the desktop, and this is false. Popularity has a lot of factors, sadly. A user-friendly Linux like Ubuntu is indeed "good enough" and has been so for years.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by pjmlp on Sunday November 29, 2020 @05:39PM (#25248749)
Finally met one of the happy 1% from Steam surveys.
Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by the_af on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:45PM (#25249223)
Also GOG and Humble Bundle ;)

It's generally a joy to use Linux. In some cases (like HP LaserJet printers) even more painless than Windows and macOS!

Re:Little Things That Made Amiga Great by eitland on Sunday November 29, 2020 @06:06PM (#25248940)
Hi, here's another one :-)

Happy Linux user since 2004/5.

Everything else is painful in some way or another.