How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method' to Change the World

Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by T-A on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @06:49AM (#25208242)

These seem fairly comprehensible:

https://www.cgtn.com

https://english.cctv.com

http://en.cncnews.cn

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by yorwba on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @07:16AM (#25208412)

Their US equivalents would be

https://www.rfa.org/mandarin/

https://www.voachinese.com/

Those are government-sponsored, explicitly foreign-facing (the language is a big hint) mouthpieces that are about as representative of "US news" as the sites you link are representative of "Chinese news" (i.e. barely).

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by enaaem on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @07:21AM (#25208444)

All those sites are blocked in China. Even hackersnews is blocked.

Check: http://www.chinafirewalltest.com

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by yorwba on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @07:54AM (#25208693)

I know, just like https://cn.ft.com/ and https://cn.nytimes.com/ (which are more likely to be worth reading, although not at the same level as the English originals), but the blocks can be circumvented by sufficiently motivated individuals. And I think there are more of those in China than there are sufficiently motivated individuals in the US circumventing the language barrier to read https://www.caixin.com/ or any of the magazines published by http://boyamedia.com/ . (Of course those aren't representative of "Chinese news" either, most of which probably consists of clickbait blogspam.)

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by enaaem on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @08:29AM (#25208974)

So Chinese people can watch foreign news, if they are willing to break Chinese law?

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by unishark on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @08:28AM (#25208970)

> ...but the blocks can be circumvented by sufficiently motivated individuals.

As I understand it, using a VPN to get past the firewall is a crime for Chinese nationals. And the govt is constantly blocking them anyway as they find them.

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by yorwba on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @08:35AM (#25209027)

Marijuana is illegal as well, that doesn't change the fact that lots of people are smoking it anyway.

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by acqq on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @07:50AM (#25208667)

Sure, the web sites are blocked, but radio waves couldn't be. And traditionally there were always enough radio stations carefully built and sufficiently financed to cover the target areas.

RFA:

https://www.rfa.org/about/info/frequencies.html

VOA:

https://translate.google.com/translate?sl=auto&tl=en&u=https...

A nice example of what one U.S. journalist knew regarding the coverage of North Korea in 2013:

https://www.northkoreatech.org/2013/04/11/us-wants-voa-rfa-t...

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by T-A on Thursday November 26, 2020 @05:28AM (#25218679)

> Those are government-sponsored, explicitly foreign-facing (the language is a big hint) mouthpieces

Of course they are. Can you point to any mainland Chinese news outlets which are not effectively controlled by the CCP?

If not, it follows that a foreigner reading or watching this stuff gets a pretty good idea of what mainland Chinese are being fed by their news media.

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Re:How the U.S. Used Disinformation and the 'Jakarta Method'... by anon73044 on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @09:25AM (#25209502)

RFA is the mouthpiece of the CIA.

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