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Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by fnord77 on Friday November 20, 2020 @11:49AM (#25162207)
don't forget the NIMBYs
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by mikeyouse on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:08PM (#25162429)
I don’t know how anyone can look at the state of corporate America and not be a NIMBY when it comes to a new nuclear plant... which company exists right now that you would trust to run something correctly for the next 50 years and resist the pressure to cut costs as close to the bone as possible..
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by oconnor663 on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:33PM (#25162741)
I trust airlines with my life without even thinking about it. Sometimes we even make fun of people who are afraid of flying.

Incentives make a big difference here. Ignoring everything else, airlines don't want to lose their hundred million dollar machine in an accident. And the person most directly responsible for the safety of the flight -- the pilot -- is sitting right there in the machine with the rest of us. It's a good arrangement with a long track record.

I could imagine corporate-run nuclear plants that have the same incentives as airlines. I could also imagine bad ones, run by Homer Simpson. It probably makes more sense to judge case by case.

Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by rmah on Friday November 20, 2020 @01:00PM (#25163023)
There's a story (probably highly exagerated) I heard about a nuclear power plant being built in china a while back. During construction, flaws were found and it was discovered that inspectors had been bribed to look the other way, etc. The gov ordered that all plant construction executives and crew bosses and their families had to live next to the power plant. Lots more problems were suddenly found but soon it was built and operating safely.
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by bobthepanda on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:45PM (#25162869)
Airlines in less developed countries are certainly not as safe as they are in the West.

Airlines are also different from power utilities, in that it's very easy to change airlines and not very easy to change grid operators. After Fukushima it's not like consumers could switch to a power utility other than TEPCO.

Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by mikeyouse on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:54PM (#25162961)
Yeah, I had PG&E in mind too when I said "How could you trust anyone in corporate America" -- look at their record even before their equipment burned down 10 million acres in California with the San Bruno explosion since they decided to ignore their own engineers' recommendations on maintenance intervals.
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by oconnor663 on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:52PM (#25162944)
All good points!
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by _huayra_ on Friday November 20, 2020 @01:12PM (#25163143)
I think people have a lot of suspicion and disdain for corporate ownership of infrastructure. People abhor the windmills of BigEnerCorp that "disrupt" their view, but the same sort of folks in the next town over love their energy cooperative and the ROI of their town-owned windmills or solar farm.
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by RockIslandLine on Friday November 20, 2020 @05:14PM (#25165719)
"I could imagine corporate-run nuclear plants that have the same incentives as airlines."

So how exactly do you enforce that corporate executives and their families must live on site for decades?

Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by CogentHedgehog on Friday November 20, 2020 @02:35PM (#25164000)
Counter-example: the Boeing 737 MAX
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by fnord77 on Friday November 20, 2020 @08:57PM (#25167295)
recently, boeing appears to be doing all it can to break the trust it has built up over decades.
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by CogentHedgehog on Friday November 20, 2020 @02:19PM (#25163856)
Exactly. Watts Barr in Tennessee just got a big fine from the NRC for safety violations, after trying to lie about an incident to the NRC and firing a whistleblower who reported safety issues.

https://news.yahoo.com/federal-utility-fined-900k-nuclear-21...

> In a notice dated Nov. 6, regulators noted a “substantial safety culture issue” at Watts Bar at the time of the incident. They also found that “TVA senior management and staff failed to communicate with candor, clarity, and integrity during several interactions with the NRC during the course of the inspection and investigation.”

> The incident wasn't recorded in the plant's logbook and managers later misled NRC investigators about what had happened. The shift manager told investigators he wasn't truthful with them at first because he feared that whatever he said would be relayed back to management.

> last year, TVA was ordered to rehire and pay thousands of dollars in back pay and compensation to a whistleblower who raised concerns about nuclear safety.

And then there was the nuclear corruption scandal in South Korea: https://www.technologyreview.com/2019/04/22/136020/how-greed...

And let's not forget when a nuclear company literally bribed Ohio politicians with $60M to get a $1Bn+ bailout:

https://www.cleveland.com/open/2020/07/fbi-agents-deployed-t...

Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by loeg on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:21PM (#25162584)
The Navy. Semi-serious; they’ve been operating nuclear reactors safely for decades.
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by fnord77 on Friday November 20, 2020 @09:00PM (#25167308)
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by orthecreedence on Friday November 20, 2020 @12:20PM (#25162564)
Why is this downvoted? I wouldn't trust a nuclear power plant run by a private company.
Re:Study identifies reasons for soaring nuclear plant cost o... by philipkglass on Friday November 20, 2020 @03:32PM (#25164627)
The NIMBY factor constrains where new projects get permits. It doesn't explain why permitted projects that were welcome in local communities still blew out their construction schedules and budgets. The AP1000 fiascoes at VC Summer and Vogtle weren't caused by NIMBY. Nor did NIMBY cause the problems with new European builds of EPRs.