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Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by gameshot911 on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:14PM (#25144546)
If this case is as slam-dunk as it appears, why doesn't Alan find a lawyer to sue Disney on contingent?
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by dragonwriter on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:20PM (#25144602)
> why doesn't Alan find a lawyer to sue Disney on contingent?

A lawsuit will take years, and Foster provides quite a good reason to suggest that delayed recovery has substantially discounted value, so while that would be a possible route to recovery (probably for his estate by the time it was resolved), a quick resolution now, even if involving less money than a successful suit would recover, would probably be strongly preferred.

That said, I would think that filing suit would be the way to kick that process off, as that would reduce the perception that "ignore him and the issue will go away" might work.

Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by Paul-ish on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:47PM (#25145294)
I have mixed feelings about this, but what if someone bankrolled this lawsuit? eg paid out to the author and pursued the case on their own. In the event of the author's death the suit still would continue, while the author gets the money they need immediately. It would change the incentives for Disney.
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by p_l on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:17PM (#25144584)
Apparently Disney is doing delaying tactics. And they have the money for big lawyer delaying tactics.

Wouldn't be the first time when delaying tactics were used by big corp to make it so that there would be zero payout through some BS or that the suing person died.

Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by k_sze on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:40PM (#25145246)
Even if the plaintiff dies, wouldn't the royalties still be owed to the next of kin?
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by Macha on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @10:00PM (#25145747)
That may be of little consolation to the author if an inability to collect in a reasonable timeframe leads to an inability to afford medical expenses leading to a sooner death or less comfortable treatment prior to that point
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by bigbubba on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:16PM (#25144573)
The article says Disney has ignored his legal representatives. I don't know how that's possible, but it's what the article says.
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by AnimalMuppet on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:40PM (#25144793)
It means they haven't yet filed a court case. If you ignore the other side once they file, the courts tend to impose very real consequences.
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by zamalek on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:39PM (#25144786)
Failure to appear in court is sometimes a ruling in favor of the plaintiff. He could go ahead and file the lawsuit.
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Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by bigbubba on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:13PM (#25145055)
No need for the snark. The part that was puzzling me is clarified by the courts evidently not being involved yet.
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by chrisseaton on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:17PM (#25145079)
> No need for the snark.

I'm not being snarky. Legal representatives never have any power whatsoever, whether courts are involved or not, to make you do anything. Only a court has the power to do that.

Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by lb7000 on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @11:57PM (#25146378)
>Do you think there's some kind of law that says you have to respond to someone's legal representatives? >Which law do you think that is?

Answering with 2 belittling questions is clearly inflamatory.

>Legal representatives never have any power whatsoever, whether courts are involved or not, to make you do anything. Only a court has the power to do that.

This response after being called out for being snarky would have been a fine original response.

Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by gojomo on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:20PM (#25144595)
This pressure-in-public approach may still be cheaper than jumping to that immediately, or offer other benefits – like raising expectations for Disney to fairly treat other authors.
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by pvg on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:52PM (#25144900)
One reason it's not quite as slamdunky is probably because Alan Dean Foster doesn't actually own the copyright to these works. Here's a bit from the front matter of one of the books mentioned that you can take a loo at yourself with Amazon's 'Look Inside'.

https://i.imgur.com/pZwfy2B.jpg

Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by ethbr0 on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:01PM (#25144978)
He may not own the copyright, but if he has a contractual royalty agreement then he certainly retains legal claims on use of the copyright.

Whomever owns the copyright is entitled to do whatever their control of it allows them to do, but they are obligated to fulfill any claims others have on the revenue derived from those uses.

Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by pvg on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:15PM (#25145069)
Do you have an illustrative case in mind? The claim is it's a slam dunk, I'm trying to understand the basis of the claim.
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by p_l on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:29PM (#25145180)
Not exactly a case, but an example: it's the same reason why MS Windows will have, on "cover", "copyright Microsoft", not a complete list of licensed components for some of which they might still be paying royalties. Similarly in other works.

In this case, the book as a whole would be copyright Star Wars Corporation, probably a holding entity specially to handle multiple involved copyrights (the copyright to Star Wars itself, etc.), and unlike a Windows install media you won't find a page listing "this work contains parts copyright X, Y, Z". But the contractual obligations still exist.

Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by pvg on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:58PM (#25145366)
Both the previous reply and this sound more like convoluted motivated reasoning towards the desired outcome - that the author gets paid. I'd love to see the author get paid too! But I don't think these are particularly strong analyses of what looks like a complicated contract case. As far as I can tell, nobody (in thread) had as much as checked the copyright ownership. But I'd love to be wrong and learn me a thing or two!
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by chipotle_coyote on Thursday November 19, 2020 @01:10AM (#25146720)
While I'm not privy to the specific contracts in question, who holds the copyright probably isn't relevant to the dispute, at least not in the most obvious way -- namely, it doesn't matter that the copyright was never held by Foster. The relevant questions are, I suspect, (a) whether or not the contract included royalties to be paid to Foster, and (b) whether the obligation to pay said royalties survives transfer of ownership of the copyright.

A lot of "work for hire" contracts don't pay royalties, just a flat fee, but I don't think we'd be talking about this at all if this were the case here -- Foster was evidently being paid royalties until Disney took over Lucasfilm. So the dispute is over the second question. Disney is implicitly arguing that they get out of paying royalties to every single author who created works for companies that Disney subsequently bought, regardless of whether those contracts specified royalties that the predecessor corporations would have otherwise been paying.

Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by michaelmrose on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:12PM (#25145441)
How is being required to fulfill their half of the contract complicated?
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by pvg on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @10:20PM (#25145845)
Why would a Wookiee, an 8-foot-tall Wookiee, want to live on Endor, with a bunch of 2-foot-tall Ewoks? Something morally trivial can be legally complicated.
Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by crooked-v on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:56PM (#25145351)
Disney's contractual obligations to pay the originally-agreed royalty aren't copyright-dependent.

On top of that, these kind of contracts often come with a 'flagrant breach of contract means that copyright reverts to the original author' type of clause.

Re:DisneyMustPay Alan Dean Foster by caffeinewriter on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:35PM (#25144742)
I mean, when a lawyer takes a case on contingency, they're essentially gambling their time on hopes of an outcome where their share (30-50% isn't uncommon, if I remember correctly) would make the time and effort spent on the case worth it. Against a company the size of Disney, with incentive to make the case as long and painful as possible to try and discourage other creators from trying to get what they're owed, it would likely take thousands of man hours, and tens of thousands of dollars out of pocket. Between discovery, filing fees, appeals, all for a victory that would result in (and I'm just completely guessing based on essentially no data) only hundreds of thousands of dollars. Lawsuits can very much end up being pyrrhic victories based on the costs incurred alone, not to mention the emotional toll that fighting a protracted legal battle can inflict upon a person.