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Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by wil421 on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:33PM (#25144140)
BMW not supporting Android is not Apple’s problem.

iMessage is for Apple devices. You are free to choose from SMS, What’s app, and all the others.

You should be able to transfer files by plugging in your Android to the MacBook via USB. Something that you can’t do with an iPhone in the same way.

The rest are all Apple products in Apple’s ecosystem.

I pay to use Apple because the ecosystem is closed.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zeusk on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:39PM (#25144197)
Nor am I saying it is, I'm telling you why switching is not an option for me which is what the parent comment asked.

I'm slowly reducing my reliance on Apple and have already abstained from getting the new watch or adding homepod minis to my current apple tv and homepod setup. And hopefully, as these devices weather out I will definitely make it a priority to not buy into a closed system like this again.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zepto on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:41PM (#25144222)
This seems wise.

I made the same move away from Google about 5 years ago. It took me a year or so, mostly because it took a while to unthread Gmail from everything.

That we can do this means we do in fact have a choice.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zeusk on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @06:44PM (#25144253)
Yes, but that choice is getting harder with time. What happens when home automation and car automation is also controlled by these tech giants?

What if some day your account was banned because you said something against the "community guidelines" of Apple? Will your car, phone, TV still work? Will Apple buy them back?

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zepto on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:36PM (#25144755)
“What if some day your account was banned because you said something against the "community guidelines" of Apple?“

That is a fictional what if.

More importantly, it would be a field day for lawyers.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zeusk on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:32PM (#25145201)
That's already happening with facebook (oculus) and google as well (what happens to your android device? what about the photos you had stored on the cloud? what about all the sign-in with google?)

Don't see any lawyer field day yet.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zepto on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:16PM (#25145455)
Oculus is an extremely niche product, barely out of the experimental stage.

Can you point to cases where people have been locked out of their Android phones?

If so, I’m surprised lawyers aren’t involved.

It’s not clear though, what this has to do with app stores.

If we think companies shouldn’t be able to lock us out of their products for speech violations, that seems like an important consumer protection that should apply to all companies.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by wil421 on Thursday November 19, 2020 @06:49AM (#25148582)
Homebridge will allow you to add almost any device to Apple Home. If they don’t have a plug-in you can build one yourself.
Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by swiley on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:16PM (#25144568)
> You are free to choose from SMS, What’s app, and all the others.

But none of the others are allowed to integrate into the phone the way imessage does.

This "choice" is such a complete lie and I've heard it repeated so many times it's actually starting to make me angry.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zepto on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:37PM (#25144759)
What integration does iMessage have that the others do not?
Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by swiley on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @07:46PM (#25144844)
- iMessage is built into the sms/MMS GUI and opportunistically "upgrades" sms chats to iMessage chats. This alone is a huge deal and makes me wonder why you would even ask this question.

- Everyone with an iPhone will have an account (the phone is practically unusable without one.)

- The app is built into the OS, when combined with the previous 2 integrations that makes it the only thing most iphone users are willing to use unless they have a very very good reason not to.

- I think the sharing UI has some special imessage-only shortcuts

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zepto on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:13PM (#25145056)
The first three are all the same as saying ‘it’s pre-installed’

The fourth hasn’t been true for a long time.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zeusk on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @08:29PM (#25145181)
A carrier can pre-install whatsapp, it still won't show up with normal text messages in the messages app but iMessage will.
Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zepto on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @09:18PM (#25145469)
Why are ‘normal text messages’ somehow a big deal?
Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by swiley on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:22AM (#25148770)
Because that's what people use first.

How is this so hard for you to understand, iMessage gets shoved in people's faces and is activated automatically. It's extremely anticompetitive and isolates people not on apples platform. It's far worse than anything microsoft did in the 90s.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by zepto on Thursday November 19, 2020 @10:18AM (#25150348)
How exactly is anyone ‘isolated’? There just doesn’t seem to be any basis for saying that that.

All it does is improve the use experience for people who do use Apple’s platform. They are just as able to communicate with people who have SMS as they were before and vice versa. You are going to need to explain this ‘isolation’.

Literally billions of people use competing messaging apps such as WhatsApp or Facebook messenger.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by swiley on Thursday November 19, 2020 @03:07PM (#25153759)
- You're not forced to create a Facebook account to use your phone

- Switching operating systems doesn't prevent you from receiving messages in Facebook groups you were in.

I'm not going to respond again because I don't think you're reading my responses. If you can't understand that ask your parents or caretaker for help.

Re:Apple's 15% Deflection Tactic by swiley on Thursday November 19, 2020 @07:33AM (#25148833)
It's not just preinstalled, it forces you to make an account to use the phone and inserts itself into what was previously the most popular messaging system in the US. If apple did something like this with the mail app everyone would probably completely flip out, the only reason they don't is because SMS was already terrible.