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Re:Moderna Covid vaccine candidate almost 95% effective, tri... by michaelmrose on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:49PM (#25115429)
Looking at your individual risk profile is a good way to decide who ought to get vaccinated first its a poor way to decide who gets vaccinated at all. There are some parties including those who are too young to vaccinate or who have poor immune systems whom are only protected by the surrounding population not passing around virii like baseball cards.

Having a large enough host population to sustain an outbreak means those vulnerable parties are fucked and the rest of the population even those for whom the vaccine is 90% effective are at still at some risk. Worse the selection pressure among millions of vectors to develop a strain that can infect the previously safe population is high and the possibility is real.

This is to say that the proper assessment of safety is the likely net effect on the entire population of an increasingly large portion of society not vaccinating.

Existing precedent would seem to suggest that its impossible to force you to vaccinate but possible to prevent you from participating in society if you do not. For example the state can put you in jail for not putting your kid in school but not let you do so unless you vaccinate your kid.

I would not be terribly surprised if people, especially vulnerable people argued that a work allowing anti vaxxers to work alongside them violated their right to a safe workplace.

Imagine one lawsuit from someones family that lost a baby or a family member resulting in an 7-8 figure settlement. There wont have to be a law. The lawsuits will be from anti vaxxers alleging that this violates their rights and will take place over the following 2 years after every major workplace in America adopts such rules giving American workers the choice between employment and remaining an antivaxxer.

Re:Moderna Covid vaccine candidate almost 95% effective, tri... by sokoloff on Monday November 16, 2020 @07:17PM (#25118873)
I'm not anti-vax by any means, but I would rather have 3 months of outcomes from widespread deployment prior to being vaccinated or having my low-risk family members be vaccinated.

That this vaccine is mRNA-based makes it likely safer than some other lightly-tested vaccines, but if you're young, healthy, and at low-risk of serious COVID infection, I'm not sure it's wise to be among the first in line for this vaccine.

Re:Moderna Covid vaccine candidate almost 95% effective, tri... by michaelmrose on Monday November 16, 2020 @07:21PM (#25118907)
Its better for the whole population if you get a vaccine as soon as it becomes generally available instead of becoming a vector in that 3 months.
Re:Moderna Covid vaccine candidate almost 95% effective, tri... by sokoloff on Monday November 16, 2020 @07:23PM (#25118928)
Yes, of course it is, provided that the vaccine that I take would otherwise go un-given in that 3 month period. That seems unlikely to me as we are likely to be vaccinating as many people as we can manufacture doses during that period and the difference is "which" rather than "how many".

I leave my house about once a week, wearing a mask, to spend 20 minutes grocery shopping. My risk of contracting, contracting and dying from, or contracting and spreading the disease is extremely low and quite possibly lower than leaving that dose for someone else who is leaving their house and being around people more than 4 hours in those 3 months. Bonus is that someone at higher risk gets "my" dose and I get 3 additional months of population-wide study of safety, side-effects, and efficacy.

Re:Moderna Covid vaccine candidate almost 95% effective, tri... by ascorbic on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @01:52AM (#25120912)
You're fine then, because the young, healthy and low-risk won't be able to access any vaccine for months after higher-risk people. It's probably closer to a year before the really low-risk people get any.
Re:Moderna Covid vaccine candidate almost 95% effective, tri... by wolco2 on Monday November 16, 2020 @03:11PM (#25116423)
Wouldn't the overvaxxers be protected? Wouldn't a baby be less likely to get covid or die from covid?

Parents homeschool kids in states that force vaccinations. Parents get in trouble when they are registered to a school and the kid doesn't show up.

Re:Moderna Covid vaccine candidate almost 95% effective, tri... by bluGill on Monday November 16, 2020 @05:06PM (#25117634)
A little, but when you are talking about my baby that is going to the part with older kids. A lot of kids do look at my baby first learning to crawl and run up to get a close look.