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Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by hangonhn on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:49PM (#25107751)
I was shocked by that. Does anyone who knows more about this or foreign policy in general want to enlighten us? What motivated Australia, Japan, and SK to sign on to this? Do they not fear alienating the US? I suppose once we scuttled the TPP they had no alternatives?
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by bigger_cheese on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:56PM (#25108186)
For Australia it's our Raw Materials (Iron Ore, Coal that sort of stuff) and Natural Gas. China, Japan, Korea are huge trading partners.

Education is the other big item, Australian universities attract a lot of foreign students and that sector is a big money earner. On the radio this morning there was talk about standardizing qualifications making more Australian degrees recognized in member countries.

It comes along at a pretty interesting time there are a lot of tension between China and Australia at the moment. There's handwringing locally over China being granted 99 year ownership leases on some of our ports. Chinese telecom firm Huawei was blocked from our 5G network for "National security" etc.

China has been threatening to block (and in some cases have blocked) shipments of Australian products there have been tariffs on Australian Barley implemented etc, ostensibly in retaliation to some foreign affair stuff. Australia called for an international enquiry into origins of Covid which really annoyed China.

Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by hangonhn on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:06AM (#25108247)
> Education is the other big item, Australian universities attract a lot of foreign students and that sector is a big money earner. On the radio this morning there was talk about standardizing qualifications making more Australian degrees recognized in member countries.

This is so fascinating! I knew Australia hosts a lot of Chinese students but they're really on their way to making education an export of theirs. Thanks for the perspective. I'm beginning to see the huge potentials of this treaty for the parties involved.

Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by plugger on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:25AM (#25108363)
IIRC education is Australia's 3rd largest export.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by hackerfromthefu on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @12:50AM (#25120681)
Part of the education deal is access to short or long term migration to Australia, so the dollar figure really a combination of education, lifestyle and migration opportunities.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by sanxiyn on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:21PM (#25107982)
South Korean here. To me, RCEP seemed like an obviously good thing to sign, and I am shocked that people in US are shocked or that they think SK should fear alienating US. TPP is irrelevant since SK was never a party to TPP.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by damnencryption on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:27PM (#25108013)
What do you think about the IP parts of RCEP?
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by sanxiyn on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:38PM (#25108074)
I find it unfortunate, but I recognize that as a newly minted culture exporting nation South Korea at large is in favor of stronger copyright enforcement, and that my personal opinion that copyright is currently too strong and detrimental to culture holds little sway.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by zzleeper on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:52PM (#25107783)
Exactly. If they don't sign, they get left out. And then what? wait until the US somehow decides to join and only then join?
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by rangibaby on Monday November 16, 2020 @03:51AM (#25109566)
It’s good leverage for all the parties involved. For example, they can make another TPP with the US but on more advantageous terms
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by plugger on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:09PM (#25107896)
> What motivated Australia, Japan, and SK to sign on to this?

Most likely the fact that the US becoming more isolationist forces traditional allies to enter into agreements that they wouldn't have considered previously. In this instance, this is the first trade agreement that has had China, Japan, and South Korea as signatories. Also, despite their posturing China is a HUGE economic power and everyone in the region would prefer to ride that wave instead of be crushed by it.

> Do they not fear alienating the US?

To a certain extent the US has alienated the rest of the world with it's "America first" Trump policy. This is just the logical progression of countries moving on to fill the economic power gap the US has left in the Pacific.

> I suppose once we scuttled the TPP they had no alternatives?

Lol. Everyone else went onto sign the CPTTP which went into effect 30 Dec 2018 which was largely identical to the original TTP, excluding the inclusion of the US of course.

Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by karmasimida on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:45PM (#25108110)
> What motivated Australia, Japan, and SK to sign on to this

Money apparently. China will lift its tariff against 90% of imports from Japan, increasing from 8% currently. Also Japan and Korea would have similar tariff treatment between each other. South Korea and China already had their own FTA, so it won't matter that much, but has no negative impact either.

Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by canada2us on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:58PM (#25108196)
Exactly, Japan actually benefits more.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by NonEUCitizen on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:42PM (#25108094)
Australia, Japan, and SK are sovereign nations.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by hangonhn on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:57PM (#25108192)
Totally agree. I'm not passing any judgments on what they did. It's just that in other areas of policy, they've been apprehensive about China so I'm shocked to see this. They must have had good reasons for doing this so I want to better understand their perspective on this and how that ties into those countries' strategy for managing an emerging superpower that rivals their traditional ally.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by FooBarWidget on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:29PM (#25114404)
Relations between China and other Asian countries aren't as bad as what the western mainstream media portrays. China is far more willing to negotiate win-win deals, and is far less of a boogeyman/invader, than what mainstream media wants you to believe. Pompeo visited many countries, urging everyone to 'unite and stand up against the bully that is China', but the reality is very different from that narrative, and as a result Asian countries signed the RCEP instead.

The Western narrative of China is a bubble of alternate reality. This RCEP event shows you just how alternate it is.

Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by sanxiyn on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:11AM (#25108291)
South Korea is a trading nation, and is in favor of free trade. South Korea defaults to yes for trade deals. US is an ally, but if US is against free trade, South Korea will not go with US. Unlike US, international trade is of vital importance to South Korea.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by j8hn on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:10AM (#25108633)
Judging by the numbers I would say international trade is of vital importance to the US.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by sanxiyn on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:27AM (#25108730)
US trade to GDP ratio is <30%. For South Korea, it's >70%.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by j8hn on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:39AM (#25108449)
Doesn't the US have a free trade agreement with Korea?
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by sanxiyn on Monday November 16, 2020 @01:01AM (#25108581)
It does.
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by disown on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:34AM (#25108426)
Australia has never been and will never be a sovereign nation. It used to be part of the british empire and is now part of the american led anglo-protectorate. They are part of the anglo world and I can't ever see us letting them leave.

Sovereign nations don't have foreign occupation forces. Japan and SK are occupied client/vassal/satellite states. We can call them allies if we want to save face, but if china or russia had occupation forces there, we'd call them vassals or satellites or client. Ultimately that's what they are.

We'd never call warsaw-pact nations sovereign states, wonder why we call japan or sk sovereign states?

Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by aussieguy1234 on Monday November 16, 2020 @07:00AM (#25110645)
Let's go back before the British arrived. There were many (and still are) many sovereign indigenous nations in what's now known as Australia
Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by disown on Monday November 16, 2020 @12:06PM (#25114080)
> There were many (and still are) many sovereign indigenous nations in what's now known as Australia

There are no sovereign indigenous nations in australia. You will not find them as members in the UN, you will not find them on maps, they cannot form any sovereign treaties with other nations, etc.

The idea of "sovereign indigenous nations" is just virtue signaling. Maybe one day they will be free and sovereign nations, but I seriously doubt it.

Re:RCEP, the world’s biggest trade agreement by smhost on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:57PM (#25107818)