Re:UK to ban sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030: FT
by Wowfunhappy on Sunday November 15, 2020 @01:20PM
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> But you can't just simply waltz to mankind and actively make their lives measurably more miserable 'because future and polar bears', suck it up.
It's not for the polar bears, it's for us. Massive droughts and rampant storms are going to be far worse than needing to charge electric cars.
What is your alternate plan? I would love to have a less disruptive path forward.
Re:UK to ban sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030: FT
by burntoutfire on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:27PM
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UK going away from fossil fuel-powered cars will not affect climate change in any mesurable way. The way to go forward is to get everyone (or at least a majority of countries) to agree on a reduction program. Otherwise, UK's population will suffer for nothing.
Re:UK to ban sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030: FT
by _ph_ on Monday November 16, 2020 @03:23AM
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Funny, one thing one hears in these discussions in Germany is: reducing the amount of CO2 emitted in Germany isn't affecting climate change in a measurable way. Now replicate this in most other countries... One has to start and other nations are going to quickly join in.
Re:UK to ban sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030: FT
by craigr1972 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:35PM
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Yes it will, because the UK is hosting the United Nations Climate Change Conference in 2021 at which a lot of vital decisions will be made or ratified.
Re:UK to ban sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030: FT
by majewsky on Monday November 16, 2020 @09:59AM
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By the same logic, we shouldn't spend money on the police to investigate murders in $TOWN because even if we did, it wouldn't down the global crime rate all that much.
Re:UK to ban sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030: FT
by concordDance on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @03:58AM
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That's really not analogous at all...
Where is the negative externality in your example?
Re:UK to ban sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030: FT
by raxxorrax on Wednesday November 18, 2020 @03:40AM
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I think you are correct and the responses are missing the point. But I don't think a petrol ban is forcing people to do anything. If it really would negatively individual transport, there would be a huge backlash. But I think the scenarios are realistic enough so it doesn't come to that.
Re:UK to ban sale of new petrol and diesel cars from 2030: FT
by _ph_ on Monday November 16, 2020 @03:21AM
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Switching to electric cars will make the life better for most of us. Even ignoring the fight against climate change, they don't emit bad smelling and most importantly toxic exhaust, create much less noise. In most cases, they drive way better than ICE cars.
It literally doesn't matter that everybody on Hacker News would agree with this, HN is definitely not a representative sample on many topics.
If you think mankind is smarter, look at politics of lately, look at covid-related deniers, folks rejecting masks due to some wacky conspiracy, 5g/chipping and so on and on.
Forcing folks like this while we give places like China, India or other polluters a free pass? Not only are people expected to pay the bill (research, transition), but it literally won't matter on global scale that they do.