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Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by bhickey on Sunday November 15, 2020 @06:51AM (#25100453)
Conduit isn't very common in US residential construction. Electricians will generally cut a hole in the drywall, drill a hole in the floor plate and tack the cabling to the framing.
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by quickthrowman on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:58AM (#25102601)
Even if you aren’t using conduit you cannot use the same pathways for line-voltage and low-voltage wiring. You need to drill separate holes thru the studs to run NM in one and Cat6 in the other. You also need a divider in a multi-gang box if it contains line-voltage and low-voltage wiring.

Source: US National Electrical Code

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by ur-whale on Sunday November 15, 2020 @08:42AM (#25101096)
In houses than are typically built with a wooden frame. From a European pov, that sounds like a recipe for fire.
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by michaelt on Sunday November 15, 2020 @09:53AM (#25101620)
Americans love building single-storey detached houses on big lots. And when they build an upper floor, they love complex roof systems where almost every upper floor window has a first floor roof or porch below it.

This means problems like fires spreading to adjacent buildings and fires trapping people where they can't escape are much reduced; you'd never see a repeat of the great fire of London in an American suburb because there's practically a fire break between every single home.

This is made affordable by America's vast tracts of land and high rates of car ownership.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by maxerickson on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:41PM (#25104077)
I'm curious how you'd compare the Great Chicago Fire (that happened ~200 years later)?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Chicago_Fire

The same day, a forest fire ravaged a number of small towns:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peshtigo_fire

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by ComputerGuru on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:03AM (#25101695)
I think that is very location dependent. Here in the Midwest, Romex still isn’t a thing and most residential construction still requires (effectively or otherwise) 1/2” electrical conduits for all high voltage wiring. Older construction might be the horrible BX/AC instead.
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by mindslight on Sunday November 15, 2020 @10:32AM (#25101917)
You said Midwest, but are you sure you don't just mean Chicago? Chicagoland is the single place I've heard about residential work requiring conduit.

I had a house with mostly Armored Cable and came to appreciate it. Especially after I opened up a floor and found an exposed conductor on some Non-Metallic that had been chewed by a squirrel.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by quickthrowman on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:59AM (#25102609)
NM wiring is extremely common in every state (except for Illinois) and NM is allowed without restrictions in multi-family stick-built housing up to four stories. You must live in Chicago or some other restrictive AHJ.

There are still existing functional knob and tube wiring systems that are 100 years old

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by Shebanator on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:41PM (#25104082)
I still have some knob and tube wiring in my home (which is 96 years old). I've ripped out most of it over the years, but it is amazing how reliable it actually is.
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by jdeibele on Sunday November 15, 2020 @07:28PM (#25106484)
Were you able to do that without digging into the walls? My house had a bathroom and the kitchen upgraded by the previous owner and we did the basement but most of the house remains on knob-and-tube.

I've gradually added GFCI outlets to each circuit. They're not grounded, unfortunately, but they do trip if something were to go wrong. And it allows us to plug in 3-prong plugs without using those horrible 2-to-3 adapters.

We had to change home insurance companies because Amica blacklisted us the instant they heard there was knob-and-tube wiring. A few other companies have the same approach. But it's not like homes are spontaneously combusting everywhere because of it.

Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by Shebanator on Wednesday November 25, 2020 @02:48PM (#25213455)
We ripped open the walls. This was done in the context of a larger remodel and then a rebuild of the back of the house after a fire.
Re:I Ripped Out a £6k Lighting System by ComputerGuru on Sunday November 15, 2020 @02:02PM (#25103714)
> (except for Illinois)

Guess where I am ;-)

(Not in Chicago/Cook, though.)