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Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by refurb on Sunday November 15, 2020 @04:43AM (#25099703)
I have to agree that big tech really messed this one up. Their attempt at regulating speech on their platforms (entirely their own right to do however they want) has resulted in both sides being pissed. I had commented on this a while ago that it was like War Games - the only way to win this game was not to play at all. The second they started being the arbitrator of speech they were guaranteed to piss people off. Then they tried to adjust and pissed another group off.

And even before all that crap below up, they had the gov't taking a long and hard look at the anti-trust problem. The platform censorship just threw gasoline on that smoldering fire.

The smartest move now is to fire all their public relations and government affairs folks. They handled this about as poorly as they could.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by notahacker on Sunday November 15, 2020 @05:17AM (#25099886)
I dont think Big Tech got every call right, but I really don't see how they please both sides here.

Especially when one side, from the top down, considers everything other than sycophantic praise for its leader to be 'fake news', and the other side has some people opining that even reporting things the other side says without qualification is irresponsible journalism.

If anything, I'd say hindsight makes some of their more dubious decisions (slapping content warnings on stuff deemed to be aimed at undermining the democratic process) look better.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by dimgl on Sunday November 15, 2020 @06:14AM (#25100238)
I have to disagree. It’s not about pleasing both sides; it’s about being a fair and unbiased platform. And on that front I think big tech absolutely blew it this time across the board.

Our society is fractured. There is so much hate and whining online. So much righteousness and loathing. And big tech has only amplified the problem. At times they even fan the flames, what with dubious fact checkers and their “hate speech” bans.

I can’t even go on Reddit anymore. I find myself disagreeing with absolutely everyone now that the dissenting opinions have been pushed out and banned.

And it’s only getting worse.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by notahacker on Sunday November 15, 2020 @06:40AM (#25100396)
I mean, I was replying to someone who defined their failure explicitly in terms of it pissing off both sides. Which was always going to happen, unless they unequivocally took one side.

But I have absolutely no doubt that whatever you consider to be 'fair and unbiased' others will regard as unfair, unbalanced and unpleasant.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by fsociety on Tuesday November 17, 2020 @09:43AM (#25124232)
In today’s political landscape, being unbiased in content moderation will anger both sides because of the intense polarization that is occurring.

Then if you go the way of Reddit you will please one side and make the other even more angry.

I think the problem is that we see what is happening in the US with poverty and the middle class, but instead we focus on tribalism.

Not sure what the solution is here.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by mancerayder on Sunday November 15, 2020 @05:24PM (#25105533)
I tend to have a similar mindset - I have an allergy to groupthink, and when I see groups of people saying false things, even if I generally normally agree with the spirit of the group, I have to at least 'fact check' with a response. But in this strange new bifurcated reality, you get pinned as 'Other' as in, I must be the 'Other side' and thus subject to to some sort of retaliation.

I don't get 'banned' but I get downvoted - as I did on this thread with no real explanation.

I have absolutely no problem with "Fact checking" because at least it shows the original thing. I have a big problem with shadow banning, deleting and outright banning. The latter is censorship.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by matwood on Sunday November 15, 2020 @07:47AM (#25100769)
I agree. I don't envy the position these platforms were put in. The platforms already had policies, but those did not foresee a time when the POTUS would act this way. When someone on the platform with the reach and power of POTUS says things that are objectively false (and potentially dangerous), how should those be handled? I'm not talking about dissenting opinions or a favorable way to look at a topic, but the equivalent of 1+1=3.

There was this ideal of the internet with information being freely distributed and available, that people would seek out truth. What we have seen though is that large groups of people just believe whoever has the bigger microphone.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by dragonwriter on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:13AM (#25102232)
> The platforms already had policies, but those did not foresee a time when the POTUS would act this way

Yes they did. In fact, in Twitter's case, they explictly altered their policies so that the failure to take action against this very same POTUS would no longer be a blatant failure to enforce it's generally-applicable policies.

Twitter has apparently had something of a change of heart about that blatant favoritism, and adopted completely new rules to reign in the monster their own rule change created on their platform, but it is not at all the case that the rules that were in place until recently were not crafted with this kind of Presidential action in mind; not only was it generally in minf, the rules were, in fact, created to license this kind of action for the benefit of this specific President, without allowing a level playing field for his opponents.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by concordDance on Sunday November 15, 2020 @11:05AM (#25102167)
> the other side

The other side has outright banned questioning important tribal narratives. (That I happen to agree with those tribal narratives is besides the point)

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by refurb on Sunday November 15, 2020 @08:20AM (#25100965)
That's exactly my point. They could have been completely fair and impartial and everyone still would have hated them.

That's why the fact they even tried, at least in my mind, guaranteed they would fail.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by cm2187 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @04:53AM (#25099758)
Except one side is pissed at them not doing it enough while the other is pissed at being on the receiving side of the censorship. There is a party of authoritarianism at the moment.
Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by philjohn on Sunday November 15, 2020 @01:17PM (#25103362)
Don't forget "fact checks are a form of censorship".

How did we, as a species, drop so low that to say that the thing a person says is disputed gets blown up into a huge issue.

I have no problem with people of ANY political persuasion being fact checked - is it perfect? No. But is it better than nothing? On balance, it appears so.

Re:Conservatives flock to Parler, claiming censorship on Fac... by disgruntledphd2 on Sunday November 15, 2020 @05:19AM (#25099896)
Lets not forget that much of the 2016 fake news boom on Facebook was agitated for by US conservatives.

Facebook had a news team that hand-curated top stories (to stop obvious lies going viral). As was the nature of these young news teams, they were more liberal than the average viewer of Fox News. Prominent media personalities on Fox News, as well as US senators agitated that this was biased against conservatives.

Facebook then fired all the editors, and obvious fake news took over the site, with predictable results (who would have thought that the Pope would endorse Trump?).

This incident is important context. Also note that the most engaging content on FB is right-wing conservative content, not left-wing content.

Like, FB tried desperately hard to avoid regulating speech on their platform, but both sides demanded it, leaving them in a position where both groups of partisans think they are biased towards the other side.

> And even before all that crap below up, they had the gov't taking a long and hard look at the anti-trust problem. The platform censorship just threw gasoline on that smoldering fire.

The conflation of these two things makes me very said. There are 100% huge anti-trust concerns around Big Tech, but the censorship crap is a sideshow that will end up preventing any bi-partisan action on this (if I was a super-cynical policy exec at these companies I might even say, just as planned....).