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Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by londons_explore on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:27AM (#25091611)
$6/month doesn't sound like much... Till you realise you'll probably have this setup for 20 years, and suddenly it's $1200. That's a lot to protect against a thing that will probably not happen (account being banned)
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by roenxi on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:42AM (#25091699)
> That's a lot to protect against a thing that will probably not happen (account being banned)

$1,200 is a lot of money, but... anyone aged 23+ is older than Google. 17+ is older than GMail.

It is an illusion to say we know what will or will not happen to Google over the next 20 years. We don't know how entrenched the tech giants are over decades because we've never had anything like them before.

This is a problem that is obviously not going to happen in the next 12 months. But if a person don't control their email address, they shouldn't be using it for anything that it would really hurt to lose.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by nickjj on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:14AM (#25091857)
> It is an illusion to say we know what will or will not happen to Google over the next 20 years. We don't know how entrenched the tech giants are over decades because we've never had anything like them before.

Realistically we have little control or have any clue on what's going to happen a few years out in almost every aspect of life.

Look at Kodak (the photography company). They were around for over a 100 years, then digital photography came along to disrupt their market and they pretty much disappeared in a few months.

Kodak and Google aren't that different as being a company that offers a service that tons of folks use(d). Kodak used to be "the" place to buy film and get photos developed.

I'm all for controlling your own email (even tho I'm guilty of not doing so), but I think even if you controlled your own email, you'll still be victim of the company you're using maybe going out of business in the future. I wish nothing but success for Fastmail or any other email service that lets you control your email, but if they go down then you're in the same position as Google going down while using gmail.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by yyyk on Saturday November 14, 2020 @08:19AM (#25092132)
>Look at Kodak (the photography company). They were around for over a 100 years, then digital photography came along to disrupt their market and they pretty much disappeared in a few months.

Kodak was well aware of digital photography, arguably one of its pioneers. What killed Kodak was cellphones. Kodak was too dependent and attached to making cameras and camera-related equipment. Most people did not need separate cameras once cellphones came along (even the 'dumb' models have a camera), so Kodak had nothing relevant to sell... Doubtful Google could be so stupid. Maybe if the Feds separate gmail from Search there'll be problems?

>I wish nothing but success for Fastmail or any other email service that lets you control your email, but if they go down then you're in the same position as Google going down while using gmail.

Keeping all your mails locally is not difficult if you use a mail client rather than a web client. Copying to a local folder every once in a while is a one/two click operation in typical clients.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by nicbou on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:42AM (#25091702)
$1200 of 20 years? I spend more than that on milk.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by ukoki on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:31AM (#25091630)
It's insurance, a waste of money most of the time, and extremely good value for money very occasionally
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by stevekemp on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:31AM (#25091631)
I pay for gsuite for myself and a couple of my domains. Call it $12/month, because you'll want to setup two accounts:

* The admin-user.

* The daily/real-user.

In my case I have my real account "steve@steve..", and "admin@steve" which is the gsuite administrator. I only login to make changes to the domain setup, never to send/receive email.

It's annoying to have to pay for that second user, but I feel happier with the privilege separation in place.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by sjruckle on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:05AM (#25091815)
Are you actually the owner of steve.com? Because I've been ordering Dominos pizza with the email [email protected] for years.

Edit: nevermind. I see you own the .net tld. I've definitely used that to order pizza too. Sorry about that.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by stevekemp on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:22AM (#25091885)
I registered steve.org.uk in 1999, and steve.fi last year.

(I moved from UK to Finland, so I checked the .fi version on a whim. Luckily it was due to expire a few months after I checked, so I setup a script to register it the moment it became available.)

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by bartvk on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:10AM (#25091843)
Couldn't you use @example.com?
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by kevincox on Saturday November 14, 2020 @09:40AM (#25092532)
example.com is good because it is explicitly reserved for this purpose and has no MX records.

Although very occasionally a service will check for MX records, but that is incredibly uncommon. My go-to email for public WiFi is [email protected] and have only been denied once (<1%)

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by toast0 on Saturday November 14, 2020 @03:04PM (#25095164)
I prefer webmaster@whatever site i'm on

A fair number of places will deny that, but I like to think it sends a message. I'm not sure how many, if any, domains still have a working webmaster@ address though.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by sjruckle on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:23AM (#25091890)
That's a really good idea! I'll try it next time.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by vanburen on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:50AM (#25091749)
It should be possible to enable Cloud Identity Free on your gsuite tenant. So you can use a free identity account for your admin account and only pay for gsuite on your main email account.

https://support.google.com/cloudidentity/answer/7384506?hl=e...

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by damnencryption on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:34AM (#25091646)
Why not me@steve, iam@steve, thisis@steve, thereal@steve or any of the other variants?
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by tehnicaorg on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:18AM (#25091869)
I find it strange to send someone an email and address it to "me". Autocompletion may also help when typing steve instead of "thereal".
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by stevekemp on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:53AM (#25091763)
I've been using [email protected] for a long time now, I realize the repetition reads a little oddly but I've never cared enough to switch to anything else.

I guess I should have started using [email protected] to make it all nice and neat, but I've no desire to change now.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by kevincox on Saturday November 14, 2020 @09:42AM (#25092537)
I'm a boring person. I even use my full name for [email protected]
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by charles_f on Saturday November 14, 2020 @11:06AM (#25093134)
Tbh the biggest benefit I see in such setup is the freedom of directing your email wherever you want. I wanted to quit Google 4 or 5 years ago and just having to redirect my domain to a private host rather than having to change my email address entirely is the one thing that made it possible
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by robjan on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:48AM (#25091732)
There are other options available. I personally don't use it, but Zoho Mail is free with paid plans starting at $1/mo.
Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by daniellarusso on Saturday November 14, 2020 @09:04AM (#25092341)
I use the free hosted Zoho for a domain.

I had an incident a few weeks ago, where my mailbox lost about 1 weeks worth of messages, and were not retrievable.

I have used them for over 5 years, and this is the only negative incident.

Re:Don't use third party auth to sign in by kleiba on Saturday November 14, 2020 @06:32AM (#25091639)
6 * 12 * 20 = 1440