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Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by dheera on Friday November 13, 2020 @03:51PM (#25087328)
The thing that really bugs me though is the marketing teams that started using the terms "4K".

Displays used to be 480p, 720p, 1080p, and then ... 4K?

The 4K was clearly intended to fool people into thinking that it was 4Kp or 4000p.

But get a load of this... 4K is 2160p. It should have been called 2Kp to be a fair comparison with the then-state-of-the-art 1080p.

The marketing departments quietly went from measuring the vertical to measuring the horizontal to fool a bunch of unsuspecting consumers.

Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by kuschku on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:14PM (#25087585)
No, 4K is called 4K because 4K is based on cinematic definitions, while the older resolutions are based on TV definitions.

For TV you count the height, as that's the only thing that matters — you can always add more high-frequency signal to increase the width after all. That's why TV signals for e.g. DVD also use a 480p signal for 4:3 and 16:9, you just stretch the content, no problem on analog TV. (In fact, the "p" doesn't mean pixels, it means the content isn't interlaced (progressive) while 1080i would be interlaced content, with both 540p and 1080i having the same amount of lines per frame)

While for cinema you count the width, e.g. what's more commonly known as 1080p is just 2K in cinema terms, as it's 1920 (or roughly 2048) wide. And that's why 4K is 4K, as cinema content is actually rendered in 4096 pixels width. In cinemas you can always add or remove height (just don't project onto that part of the screen, some cinemas even have screens able to change their height), while the width is fixed (you usually can't make the screen wider). Historically this also held true with film: except for IMAX (70mm portrait), you measure the width of the film e.g. 8mm, 16mm, 35mm, 70mm, as you can always just make the film longer to change the height.

It's true that manufacturers quickly started calling their UHD content 4K for marketing reasons, but 4K doesn't have anything to do with your hypothesis.

Now why was it used as marketing term? When HD and Full HD rolled out for consumers, cinemas started upgrading their projectors as well, offering content in 4K, and advertising it as such. Consumers got used to 4K meaning high resolution high quality. And when consumer devices started reaching a similar quality, obviously the manufacturers used the already established term, instead of the official "UHD" branding.

Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by jandrese on Friday November 13, 2020 @05:03PM (#25088059)
At least they got away from the alphabet soup nonsense. Nobody wants to try to remember what WQHD or WQSXGA mean. I also hope that they eventually come back around to just listing the two dimensions again.
Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by MaxBarraclough on Friday November 13, 2020 @05:57PM (#25088553)
Related to this, they never did find a good term for 1080P, well, other than 1080P.

720P was branded HD, 4K was branded UHD, but 1080P never got a designation like that. This put Sky in an interesting position, as they only recently added 1080P support to their NowTV streaming subscription service, as an optional upgrade to their usual 720P. Having already long promoted their service as delivering HD, [0] they were clearly at a bit of a loss as to how to describe 1080P. They ended up calling it full HD. [1]

[0] https://community.nowtv.com/t5/Sports/HD-or-non-HD/m-p/40699...

[1] https://help.nowtv.com/article/what-is-now-tv-boost

Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by kuschku on Friday November 13, 2020 @07:24PM (#25089146)
Actually, when the HD standards were introduced, 720p/i was officially designated as "HD Ready", and 1080p/i as "Full HD", with the respective acronyms HD and FHD. Ultra HD obviously got the UHD acronym later on.

So it's not like sky invented that term.

Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by MaxBarraclough on Saturday November 14, 2020 @07:19AM (#25091875)
Interesting, thanks. Really clunky designations. I don't think I've ever seen the FHD acronym.
Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by afiori on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:09PM (#25087528)
if I remember correctly 4K is a cinema standard, and 2160p is called 4K because they are sort of similar and 4K was better known
Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by m463 on Friday November 13, 2020 @09:32PM (#25089786)
I personally think 1080 doesn't describe the resolution as well as 1920, and I find myself probably in alignment with marketing folks.

Of course I still don't forgive them for decimal disk capacities (in my book 1 meg is still 1048576 not 1000000)

Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by Eldandan on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:09PM (#25087536)
Well today I learned. I always thought they called it 4K because doubling the dimensions of a rectangle causes the area to quadruple. No wonder "2K" display resolutions confuse me...
Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by athenot on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:06PM (#25087506)
It's 4k because it's an HD resolution (1080) doubled horizontally and vertically.

If this is HD:

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Then 4 of these tiled become 4k:

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I used to have 4 separate HD monitors laid out horizontally on my desk, and in terms of pixel realestate, a 4k effectively replaces them... until retina/high density displays became affordable. Now my 5k monitor is effectively the realestate of 4 HD monitors, but nice and smooth.
Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by dheera on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:08PM (#25087519)
No, it's 4K because it's approximately 4000 (actually 3840) pixels in the horizontal dimension. It has nothing to do with 4 times 1080p.

640x480 ("480p" <-- vertical)

1280x720 ("720p" <-- vertical)

1920x1080 ("1080p" <-- vertical)

3840x2160 ("4K" <-- they marketing departments suddenly started measuring horizontal)

Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by kalleboo on Friday November 13, 2020 @11:50PM (#25090383)
640x480 (VGA), 800x600 (SVGA), etc came from the computer industry since they had 4:3 CRTs

720p, 1080p came from the TV industry since they always counted video in "lines" (NTSC is 525 lines)

4K came from the movie industry (the 2005 Digital Cinema specification), since movies have wildly different aspect ratios so counting the vertical doesn't make sense (specifically, it's very rare for movies to be 16:9!)

Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by Tijdreiziger on Friday November 13, 2020 @05:52PM (#25088516)
4K is the marketing term, i.e.:

4K > Full HD > HD > SD (marketing terms)

2160p/i > 1080p/i > 720p/ > 480p/i / 576p/i (resolutions)

Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by jandrese on Friday November 13, 2020 @05:04PM (#25088074)
If that were the case wouldn't it be called 4x instead of 4k?
Re:When 13.3 is greater than 14 by glandium on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:10PM (#25087538)
4K is about the horizontal resolution, which is... 3840. Right.