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Re:SLS vs. Starship by bryanlarsen on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:27AM (#25083227)
Yes, it's still rocket engineering. It's never trivial.

What would have been a more conservative design? Reusing the Apollo design was considered and discarded because so much knowledge and tooling had been lost that it was considered to be less conservative than the SLS design.

Re:SLS vs. Starship by giantrobot on Friday November 13, 2020 @02:42PM (#25086508)
I love the whole "lost Saturn V engineering" trope. It sounds so good despite being bullshit. Rocket dune and NASA did an extensive knowledge retention project for the F-1 and J-2 engines. NASA also maintains several copies of extant F-1 and F-1A engines. If we approached Rocketdyne tomorrow with a billion dollars they could restart F-1A production. The J-2X is in fact the second stage engine for the SLS stack.

The SSME was selected for the SLS (and Ares V before it) because it had twice the burn hours of the F-1 and the SRBs existed and were a known quantity. The SLS (and Ares V) can reuse more of the Shuttle's infrastructure than an F-1 based design. The SRBs allow for use of smaller first stage tankage and the less powerful SSMEs which allow for reusing Shuttle launchpads which replaced the Saturn launchpads at LC-39.

While the SLS is moving into boondoggle territory the Ares V and SLS designs made economic sense to reuse Shuttle designs and infrastructure. It didn't have anything to do with the myth of lost engineering knowledge.

Re:SLS vs. Starship by nickik on Friday November 13, 2020 @04:52PM (#25087956)
Ares V was actually designed with the RS-68, not the RS-25. That why it was not human rated.

> Ares V and SLS designs made economic sense to reuse Shuttle designs and infrastructure

Theoretically made economic sense.

Re:SLS vs. Starship by Robotbeat on Friday November 13, 2020 @10:55AM (#25083531)
Probably EELV Phase II.