News for hackers. Stuff that matters.
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by timjahn on Monday May 02, 2011 @05:58PM (#2508055)
A company that doesn't make money buys another company that doesn't make money. The Silicon Valley economy exists entirely on its own with no relation to the "real world".
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by nikcub on Monday May 02, 2011 @10:25PM (#2508736)
Twitter had revenue of $50M last year, and is projected to run $150M this year and $250M next[1]

In the past 12 months Twitter has built out an entire north american sales force lead by former FIM exec Adam Bain, who is v good at what he does. So those numbers are before any international expansion, and do not include API licensing (via Gnip)

It is very disingenuous and flat out wrong to write Twitter off as having no revenue. They have no profit, but the point of a company at their stage is not to book profits, it is to spend as much money to grow as quickly as possible (building that sales team alone isn't cheap - let alone infrastructure). If they were making money, the investors would sure as hell be asking why. This is simple startup economics where you have a company and product in hypergrowth.

Twitter is so ingrained in the mainstream conscious now. My non-tech family members and friends kept mentioning it all weekend in context of the royal wedding and the bin laden death. The cable news networks spent a lot of time just showing their viewers what is on twitter

It is here to stay at least for a little while, so time to throw out the 2009-era skepticism and false criticisms

As an aside, Tweetdeck are also healthy revenue wise. Healthy enough to be an 18 person company that last raised a small round a year ago and that can charge $50k per ad partner for placement[2]

[1] http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-01-24/twitter-s-ad-rev...

[2] http://techcrunch.com/2009/06/01/want-your-service-integrate...

Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by djb_hackernews on Monday May 02, 2011 @10:56PM (#2508813)
I wonder if you could flesh out your thoughts on Gnip and other licensed API syndicators such as datasift/mediasift.
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by nikcub on Tuesday May 03, 2011 @03:22AM (#2509274)
Gnip has shifted a bit. When it started out the purpose was to solve 'the friendfeed problem'[1] - which was that for each service friendfeed integrated with, they had to write an entire module to implement a client of that services API

The thinking was that Gnip would implement the client once, and then expose a standard interface so that a dev could integrate with all of these services using just a single API

The second part was that instead of polling, Gnip would push update data to you using XMPP or callbacks.

I think they found that there isn't that large a market for apps, at that time or this time anyway, that needed to integrate with a dozen or more services to make paying Gnip worthwhile

The second part solved itself through either pubsubhubbub or API's implementing their own callback.

Gnip downsized for a while, but saw a resurgence with the Twitter deal. It makes sense for Twitter to offload serving the API, implementing track, etc.

I think datasift is a bit different. Actually a bit more advanced since they support many more ways to slice and dice the data, analytics, and more. That space is more like hootsuite and the similar services - you want to mine social network data and extract key analytics. Gnip is more about making API consumption for apps easier.

Gnip has 50+ services, Datasift about 6 or 7 - so you can see where they are beginning to diverge.

When Gnip first launched, I spent a day with the team as part of covering the launch for techcrunch. My own conclusion at the time was that Gnip was a stop-gap measure between then and whenever the protocols such as PuSH would be stable enough to see wide adoption. There was also the element of outsourcing your API which didn't seem right - Mashery does something similar with outsourcing dev community, API tokens etc. But Gnip have proven otherwise with the twitter deal. (edit: for reasons why twitter would use them, see [4]

What could be interesting is Gnip has morphed into part of the old Gnip, with aggregation and normalization, plus something akin to Cloudflare but for API's - while datasift has become a datamining and analytics platform more for internal business use.

The space that Datasift is in will be huge. With Gnip I am still a bit indifferent only because I am implementing an app at the moment that talks to a dozen or so different API's and I couldn't see how I would use it or why I would pay for it, but the twitter firehose isn't one of hte API's (but twitter auth is - and Gnip, from what I know, doesn't touch auth at all)

As an aside: and interesting point in history is that when Gnip launched twitter totally rejected them, only later to give them access and then take it a step further with a full commercial partnership[2][3]. that was back when the twitter firehose was 5-6 tweets a second, it hit 5k a second yesterday

[1] http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/06/26/the-new-datastream-ag...

[2] http://www.techcrunchit.com/2008/07/18/battle-over-twitter-o...

[3] http://techcrunch.com/2008/07/18/twitter-plays-nice-xmpp-fir...

[4] http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2010/11/why-is-twitter-part...

Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by timjahn on Monday May 02, 2011 @11:25PM (#2508876)
I hope you weren't serious here.
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by nikcub on Tuesday May 03, 2011 @03:23AM (#2509277)
Go on..
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by pclark on Monday May 02, 2011 @06:05PM (#2508081)
Not only does Twitter make money, but TweetDeck raised it's first round of funding little over 2 years ago - it isn't ridiculous to spend that long building a product before monetization. No need to be so down on this.
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by rorrr on Monday May 02, 2011 @08:55PM (#2508559)
Raising money is not making money. You give up a % of your company when you get funded.
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by jonursenbach on Monday May 02, 2011 @06:02PM (#2508067)
What makes you think that Twitter isn't profitable, or at least has some incoming cash flow that isn't pumped in by VC or the secondary market?
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by truthtechnician on Monday May 02, 2011 @07:58PM (#2508419)
I'll bite. Here's why I don't think Twitter is profitable or will be:

1) No ads. I don't see any now. "But, they can add advertisements later!" No they can't. Adding advertisements to Twitter will destroy their brand and everything that makes them "cool."

2) No clear picture on their profits and revenue. Profitable companies or companies with a solid revenue model have nothing to hide. There's no reason to hide your money situation if you're successful or have a successful strategy. Twitter doesn't. Their strategy relies on selling to the VC community, not selling to users.

3) Buying up competitors before you're posting profits means twitter's only asset (users) are hard to maintain control of.

Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by jonursenbach on Monday May 02, 2011 @08:00PM (#2508422)
Twitter already has ads thought, and has had them for a while now.

Promoted Tweets.

Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by timjahn on Monday May 02, 2011 @10:11PM (#2508714)
From what I've read, I don't believe their current monetization techniques are making anywhere near enough money to equal what's been pumped in from funders.
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by jonursenbach on Tuesday May 03, 2011 @12:09AM (#2508963)
Probably not, but income is income.
Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by xentronium on Monday May 02, 2011 @08:09PM (#2508441)
1, 3) Fair points.

2) Promoted tweets, api firehose. Their tries at adding ads to twitter certainly sucked, though.

Re:Twitter To Buy TweetDeck For $40 Million – $50 Million by waterlesscloud on Monday May 02, 2011 @10:03PM (#2508698)
There's that whole "metadata" part of a tweet that goes largely unused. It could carry an ad payload displayed on certain clients.

Perhaps on Tweetdeck, as a random example.