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Re:Zuckerberg defends not suspending ex-Trump aide Bannon fr... by tooscared on Thursday November 12, 2020 @07:53PM (#25077464)
This discussion is pointless because it's just a proxy war. Everyone's position is completely determined by what they think of Bannon (or Trump really), so no information is exchanged. Here's a thought anyway though. The image he used (heads on pikes) is gruesome and is also a common metaphor for doing something dramatic to deter unwanted behavior, also known as pour encourager les autres. In my mind that usage tilts the remark away from "let's literally put their heads on pikes" to the more metaphoric. Now try this thought experiment: come up with some new grisly image of a way to murder someone, without any history of being used as a metaphor, and imagine Bannon had used that image instead. That would tilt the remark more towards being an actual threat.

Other people in this thread have made a similar better point. If he had said "heads should roll", that's not a call for decapitation. Another obvious point is that he's being an edgelord, going too far but not exactly all the way, in order to get attention. Edgy references to civil war are the same. That's not starting a war, but it's not totally not starting a war either. There aren't precise lines to draw here, probably on purpose.

Re:Zuckerberg defends not suspending ex-Trump aide Bannon fr... by ZeteticElench on Thursday November 12, 2020 @10:19PM (#25078435)
The reference to going back to the time of the Tudors when they actually did such things tilts it back to being a real call to action.
Re:Zuckerberg defends not suspending ex-Trump aide Bannon fr... by AaronFriel on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:01PM (#25077533)
Which is why his Facebook page later posted that he specifically called for those individuals' execution?
Re:Zuckerberg defends not suspending ex-Trump aide Bannon fr... by tooscared on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:08PM (#25077604)
I assume you mean https://web.archive.org/web/20201106185230if_/https://www.fa... because you've brought this up like six times already, but I think you're overinterpreting it. To me it looks like someone pasted a headline from some news story reporting the heads-on-pikes comment. Probably some intern, as I doubt that Bannon is pasting things into Facebook, he is surely too vain for that.
Re:Zuckerberg defends not suspending ex-Trump aide Bannon fr... by AaronFriel on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:11PM (#25077618)
That's the same verified Facebook page that hosts his weekly live stream.

You can say that those aren't his words, but... his platform again states he's calling for the President to execute two people.

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Re:Zuckerberg defends not suspending ex-Trump aide Bannon fr... by dang on Thursday November 12, 2020 @08:30PM (#25077772)
Please drop the 'lie' bit- there's no evidence that AaronFriel is being intentionally misleading.
Re:Zuckerberg defends not suspending ex-Trump aide Bannon fr... by isoskeles on Friday November 13, 2020 @01:22AM (#25079515)
You've successfully allowed a thread to have DOZENS of AaronFriel's false comments, whether or not they were lies, they were clearly misinformed. You've allowed his comment, which I'm sure multiple people flagged, stating this, to stick:

> I am beyond tired of people making excuses for public threats of violence from authoritarian right-wing actors. It isn't helpful to any discourse to pretend words don't mean what they mean anymore.

Fuck you, dang. Go ahead and ban me. You're a really fucking shitty moderator, and you allow fucking garbage political threads like this to go with one-sided, bad faith, bullying trash from people like AaronFriel. But, OOOH GOTCHA ISOSKELES, YOU SAID "LYING" WHEN MAYBE HE JUST DIDN'T KNOW. Fuck you. And fuck Hacker News.

Re:Zuckerberg defends not suspending ex-Trump aide Bannon fr... by dang on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:23PM (#25084714)
Ouch. Look, I know how explosive all this is and I don't need to ban someone for having strong feelings. But we need to hold the container in a certain way.

It's fine to say that another comment is false, especially if you then add corrective information. It's fine to say that it's misleading, if you show how and (again) add corrective info. But to say that another user is lying crosses a clear semantic line: it imputes malicious intent, i.e. not just that they're wrong but that they know the truth and are intending to deceive. That we don't allow. Surely it's not hard to see why.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re:Zuckerberg defends not suspending ex-Trump aide Bannon fr... by AaronFriel on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:28PM (#25084818)
As someone who has previously argued with HN moderation and dang before, I don't think this is a good tact.

I also had comments flagged for saying someone was arguing in bad faith.