Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by greatpatton on Thursday November 12, 2020 @10:44AM
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There is a lockdown as you cannot even boot linux anymore...
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by ubermonkey on Friday November 13, 2020 @08:52AM
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I guess that may count for you, but I mean lockdowns within the OS itself.
I don't care that I can't run Linux on my Mac. If I wanted to run Linux, I'd have different hardware.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by lstamour on Thursday November 12, 2020 @12:08PM
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You can change that on T2-based Intel Macs, at least, just like on Windows: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT208330
Of course, Apple as an OEM does not support running non-Mac OSes, so virtualization should still be preferred for most use cases.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by greatpatton on Thursday November 12, 2020 @12:12PM
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That's why I'm saying anymore. It was the case but it is no more possible with the new Apple Silicone laptop.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by lstamour on Thursday November 12, 2020 @01:52PM
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There’s no indication from Apple that they are intentionally not supporting this feature - just that it doesn’t exist right now. That said in practice I never use BootCamp because the driver support is always sub-par. It’s a much nicer experience to virtualize, especially now that most virtualization platforms offer native support for Apple’s virtualization libraries, such that installing third party kernel extensions are less necessary now than ever before. (I think the only ones I tend to install now are Tuxera NTFS support which tends to be really high quality. Apple should just buy Tuxera and ship them natively.)
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by dylan604 on Thursday November 12, 2020 @12:56PM
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I guess Microsoft will have to hurry up and build an ARM version of Windows so they can keep the rounding error number of BootCamp users satisfied.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by rowanG077 on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:54PM
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An ARM version of Windows has existed for almost a decade. In fact it's running on quite a few laptops right now.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by baybal2 on Friday November 13, 2020 @12:21AM
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Since 1997 to be exact. WinCE ran on arm since time immemorial.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by ValentineC on Thursday November 12, 2020 @01:30PM
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There is an ARM version of Windows 10 that runs on the Surface Pro X [1].
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by asveikau on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:44PM
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Not only that, the first released version of NT on ARM was in 2012.
They had crappy code signing policies (only store apps on Windows RT tablet) which guaranteed poor adoption but that was a policy decision, not a technical one.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by levesque on Thursday November 12, 2020 @11:45AM
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Catalina already broke a TON of legacy software and you cannot downgrade newer Macs to Mojave (at least not without some serious hacking efforts, and I know at least one person who tried and failed).
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by dkonofalski on Thursday November 12, 2020 @06:45PM
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That's not true at all. You can use recovery mode to trivially revert back to the OS that was installed when the computer was purchased. If that's pre-Mojave then you can just upgrade back to Mojave afterwards.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by lebca on Thursday November 12, 2020 @07:50PM
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What if the Mac had a newer OS than Mojave originally installed on it? That is how I interpreted the parent poster's comment. Given this interpretation, I'm don't think I'd have the expectation to be able to install an earlier OS.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by dkonofalski on Thursday November 12, 2020 @07:55PM
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With that interpretation, you'd be correct but I don't think you've ever been able to downgrade to something earlier than what it came with since the older OS wouldn't include the appropriate drivers or kexts to properly run the hardware.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by thw0rted on Monday November 16, 2020 @09:53AM
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So the choice is between running an older OS version that will go EOL sooner, or abandoning the ability to dual-boot? How is that OK?
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by vimy on Thursday November 12, 2020 @11:28AM
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ARM Macs can't run unsigned software.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by w0utert on Thursday November 12, 2020 @11:37AM
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Yes, but code signing can be ad-hoc, can be done automatically at build time, and doesn't require notarization. So it's basically just a way to ensure the binary has not been tampered with. I don't really see the problem here, as the code signing itself does not prevent any kind of code from running on macOS Big Sur.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by ece on Thursday November 12, 2020 @02:49PM
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With iOS, you have to be an Apple developer paying $99/yr to do ad-hoc signing, I'm guessing it's the same now for MacOS..
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by X-Istence on Friday November 13, 2020 @01:03AM
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That's not true. Anyone with an Apple ID is able to sign software they build/binaries and install them on their iOS devices.
Although instead of lasting 1 year they only last 7 days, but there is no fee for a user to sign and install their own binaries.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by ece on Friday November 13, 2020 @01:20AM
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My question was about MacOS and if similar behaviour exists there too with the M1 Macs.
To clarify iOS, so the app erases itself after 7 days? Or is it something like you can install an app for only 7 days after downloading/using Xcode?
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by ece on Friday November 13, 2020 @08:34PM
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To answer my own question, an ad-hoc signed iOS App will deactivate after 7 days unless you pay $99/yr. This behaviour is not present on Big Sur and likely M1 Macs, they can still run notarized and non-notarized apps: https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/macos-11-0-big-sur-t...
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by snovv_crash on Thursday November 12, 2020 @01:23PM
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If you can sign ad-hoc then there's no point, right? Just modify and re-sign.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by neop1x on Friday November 13, 2020 @06:15AM
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Can be ad-hoc? For how long?
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end...
by ubermonkey on Friday November 13, 2020 @08:50AM
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Cite?
Citation Needed.
Apple detractors LOVE to bring this idea up, but there's nothing to it in any real sense. Do Macs ship with a checkbox filled in that limits software vendors? Yes. This is a good thing. Is it trivial to change this setting? Also yes.
Anyone who buys a Mac can run any software on it they like. There is no lockdown.