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Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by valuearb on Thursday November 12, 2020 @12:07AM (#25066662)
A Ryzen 4800u actually uses up to 25W TDP, depending upon implementation.

And it’s 45% slower in single core.

Most importantly, the M1 is estimated to cost Apple $65, the 4800u is a $300+ part.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by distances on Thursday November 12, 2020 @01:14AM (#25067003)
That price is a meaningless comparison, you can't buy the Apple processor in retail. What's the cost to procedure the AMD part? Something similar I'd guess.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by valuearb on Thursday November 12, 2020 @01:28AM (#25067064)
AMD on it’s current hot steak has gotten its gross profit margins to 43%, which would make the cost to manufacture a $300 part around $171.

Two and a half times higher cost to build a slower, more power hungry CPU is not actually very similar.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by mahkeiro on Thursday November 12, 2020 @02:02AM (#25067241)
Yeah using the gross margin of the whole company and applying it to a single product is going to provide a reliable figure...
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by valuearb on Thursday November 12, 2020 @12:47PM (#25072445)
It’s how companies price their products. Is it perfect? No, but that’s why I used the word “around”.

You can argue that this particular Ryzen has a higher gross margin, say 50%, and lower ASP than $300, but that only gets your cost down to what, $140? And with RAM costing extra.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by dannyw on Thursday November 12, 2020 @02:30AM (#25067395)
how much of the $300 goes to the retailer? how much goes to the distributor?
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by ant6n on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:48AM (#25067804)
How much goes to R&D?
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by btgeekboy on Thursday November 12, 2020 @02:38AM (#25067442)
Not to mention I believe the RAM is included on the M1 SOC.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by olnluis on Thursday November 12, 2020 @12:26AM (#25066760)
Unlikely OEM's are paying 300+ for a 4800u. Certainly more than $65, though.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by buran77 on Thursday November 12, 2020 @05:53AM (#25068557)
That makes sense, AMD is selling to OEMs for a profit (over cost) while Apple is its own OEM, if any charging is done it's purely internal and for accounting purposes.

This comparison looks at different segments of the fab<>manufacturer<>OEM relationship. Add the user in there and you might say that you can buy an AMD CPU for $100 but an Apple CPU will cost you $1000. Not very meaningful as a comparison.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by valuearb on Thursday November 12, 2020 @12:48PM (#25072456)
Certainly more than $200, so what’s your point?