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Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by numpad0 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @10:22PM (#25066040)
Laptop Macs of late are known for heavy throttling due to inadequate cooling, which cannot have been unnoticed in simulations
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by JosephRedfern on Thursday November 12, 2020 @02:35AM (#25067424)
I’d go so far as to say “laptops of late”, thermal throttling isn’t unique to MacBooks.

My XPS15 regularly throttles and sounds like it’s about to take off.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by numpad0 on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:21AM (#25067678)
It was Surface that started the trend, then MacBook followed and became a feature.

By the way, “throttling” refers to CPU _slowing down_ despite cooling working at full capacity, so loud fans in itself isn’t one.

e: Another way to explain thermal throttling would be “thermal fading”, like brake fading on a car. Whether brake fading is considered a design fault or a feature that allow bursts of stronger brakes is semantic.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by dave84 on Thursday November 12, 2020 @07:44AM (#25069201)
I think the Surface was late to the party, the original Macbook Air had huge problems when it launched in 2008.

https://www.theage.com.au/technology/apple-fans-burned-by-ho...

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by nbevans on Thursday November 12, 2020 @05:56AM (#25068570)
If we're doing analogies, let's do them right :) Therefore I'd argue it is more like supercharger overheating on a car. As a supercharger gets hotter from prolonged load it gets hot and warms the air entering the engine which reduces cold-air intake thus reducing horse power compared to a cooler supercharger. There is a way to solve this: by fitting a chargecooler - which is basically a cooling system for the supercharger.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by JosephRedfern on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:59AM (#25067882)
Sorry, yes, I realise that’s what throttling is but wasn’t clear. I meant to say in the original comment the fans normally come on followed by throttling.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by rbanffy on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:08AM (#25067608)
Gaming laptops are huge for a reason: they need to get rid of a lot of heat.

Thin and light is great for short bursts of activity, but, when you need sustainable heavy usage, you'll need a bigger computer, even if it's just to have a bigger heatsink.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by roel_v on Thursday November 12, 2020 @03:53AM (#25067843)
My XPS15's GPU runs at 100C (on benchmark loads), even after I replaced the heat pads and cooling paste. It took me weeks to get used to the idea. I guess that's just the new normal. I don't find mine to be loud though.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by rayiner on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:03PM (#25066309)
I have the 16” MacBook Pro. It doesn’t throttle and will happily run at max boost for tens of minutes.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by adrianN on Thursday November 12, 2020 @02:44AM (#25067473)
Mine doesn't throttle when the ambient temperature is below 21°C, but throttles almost immediately if the ambient temperature is above 24°C.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by Tepix on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:23AM (#25068025)
The MBP16 has a problem with overheating VRMs during prolonged high load. A hack with thermal pads helps:

https://www.reddit.com/r/macbookpro/comments/gs6bal/2019_mbp...

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by sliken on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:03AM (#25067903)
Which one? I have the i9 flavor and it sounds like it's taking off if I run a video conf with zoom or Microsoft teams.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by numpad0 on Thursday November 12, 2020 @11:49AM (#25071692)
Throttling refers to throttling down. Choking up. Going up is boosting.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by perfmode on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:21PM (#25066398)
mine throttles to 30% within a minute of ffmpeg
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by akmarinov on Thursday November 12, 2020 @04:40AM (#25068152)
*Intel Laptop Macs of late are known for heavy throttling

We have no idea what the M1 would look like. Though it's likely. I imagine they wouldn't have taken the fan out of the Air if that was a big concern.

Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by Bud on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @10:42PM (#25066169)
But not anymore. That era is over.
Re:Apple Silicon M1 chip in MacBook Air outperforms high-end... by numpad0 on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @10:57PM (#25066266)
So it’s natural that devices from that era and devices after that era behave differently