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Re:ByteDance asks federal apeals court to vacate US order fo... by nkozyra on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:18AM (#25059588)
I think there's room for very real discussion about the merits of China's positioning in the global space right now without doing the blanket demonization that we see so often.

Let's be more critical.

Re:ByteDance asks federal apeals court to vacate US order fo... by bigbubba on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:48AM (#25059974)
Do you mean we should be 'more critical' of the reports that China is operating genocidal concentration camps aimed at exterminating the Uyghur culture?
Re:ByteDance asks federal apeals court to vacate US order fo... by DobryMorozov on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @01:59PM (#25061577)
How many deaths has this genocide produced?

All the information on this comes from just a few American sources

Re:ByteDance asks federal apeals court to vacate US order fo... by bigbubba on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @02:03PM (#25061626)
That is a bald faced lie. The information comes from Uyghurs who managed to escape. The true scale of the genocide will likely not be known until/unless the CCP is dismantled and its members put on trial.
Re:ByteDance asks federal apeals court to vacate US order fo... by ceejayoz on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:50AM (#25060003)
We should probably be more critical of attempts to use the Chinese atrocities against the Uyghur as a method to deflect attention from other actors' bad deeds.
Re:ByteDance asks federal apeals court to vacate US order fo... by echelon on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @11:57AM (#25060082)
> be more critical of attempts to use the Chinese atrocities against the Uyghur

It's shocking to try to put any positive spin on this.

Yes, the West has done bad. But this is state-sponsored genocide.

Re:ByteDance asks federal apeals court to vacate US order fo... by ceejayoz on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @12:01PM (#25060132)
> It's shocking to try to put any positive spin on this.

I'm not.

I'm saying "What the Chinese have done to the Uyghur is bad" is a perfectly fine statement. I object to stuff like "stop whining about conditions in ICE detention when there's stuff like the Uyghur genocide happening". It's generally done in bad faith.

Re:ByteDance asks federal apeals court to vacate US order fo... by echelon on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @12:08PM (#25060215)
I agree.

I wasn't doing that, and I explicitly called that point out. I don't think the OP was trying to shift blame either.

I also think the incoming administration will do a lot to fix it. I don't see any change in China's Uyghur strategy without strong international posturing.

Re:ByteDance asks federal apeals court to vacate US order fo... by klyrs on Wednesday November 11, 2020 @12:45PM (#25060658)
Yes, China is doing a bad thing (understatement of the century). When the world moved against apartheid in South Africa, trade with them stopped altogether. Apple phones, and a million other consumer products, are still coming over from China. Stopping that would be a good start.

But then we've got TikTok, which some American lefties are using to exercise their free speech. The ticket-buying campaign around Trump's rally in Tulsa really seemed to ignite Trump's ire. Is this about the atrocities, is it about national security, or is it about Trump's ego? I can get behind the first, I'm weary about the second, and cannot tolerate the third.