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Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by lm28469 on Monday November 09, 2020 @09:45AM (#25035293)
> Is getting COVID safe long term?

For most people yes

edit: so the whole world is studying this virus 24/7 for almost a year and nobody detected anything, yet you think it might give us aids v2 ? Feel free to link any study that hints to anything remotely going in that direction because I couldn't find anything at all.

Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by ineedasername on Monday November 09, 2020 @10:33AM (#25035774)
I'm guessing you're saying that based on the number of people that remain asymptomatic &/or don't die, but you are incorrect.

We already know there is a strong possibility the virus has a negative effect on cognitive ability even in people who don't get any serious symptoms [0]

Those might go away. They might not. There could be other effects we're unware of. What we do know is that you're unlikely to find any expert on this who will unequivocally say "no longer term effects".

[0] https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.10.20.20215863v...

Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by lm28469 on Monday November 09, 2020 @10:38AM (#25035829)
> This article is a preprint and has not been peer-reviewed
Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by ineedasername on Monday November 09, 2020 @11:34AM (#25036505)
Yes, which is why I said it was a possibility.

Pre-print or published or not, it presents evidence that shows it's incorrect to assert there are no longer term effects of COVID. Even if peer review shows flaws that invalidate this particular study, research into the full effects of COVID are still underway, and we simply don't have the data required to assert "no longer term effects for most people"

Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by newsbinator on Monday November 09, 2020 @09:53AM (#25035360)
Citation needed
Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by 317070 on Monday November 09, 2020 @10:50AM (#25035957)
> so the whole world is studying this virus 24/7 for almost a year and nobody detected anything

I think you might overestimate what we can detect, when it comes to how viruses interact with a living human body. Yes, the whole world is studying it 24/7, and we really do not have a clue on long term effects. Science is pretty good, but some problems are pretty difficult too.

30 years ago, we could not have this ubiquitous testing capability and probably could not develop these tests at all. 10 years ago, we would definitely not have this vaccine one year after patient zero. Today, we really have no clue on long term effects until they happen on a statistical scale. Science and biotech progress rapidly, but there are still a lot of things we can't do.

Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by blueline on Monday November 09, 2020 @09:56AM (#25035391)
you literally can't possibly know that. nobody does
Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by SomeoneFromCA on Monday November 09, 2020 @09:49AM (#25035322)
We cannot be sure. Like, we have no idea.
Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by thu2111 on Monday November 09, 2020 @10:59AM (#25036102)
It's amazing how people have consistently acted throughout 2020 as if coronaviruses are entirely new, never seen before and everything known about the immune system or viruses has to be thrown out.

People have been getting infected with coronaviruses of various kinds for millennia. Nobody has ever linked a low severity cold-like infection with long term severe consequences, and given the sort of longitudinal study that would be required to establish such a link, any such claims would need to be treated very carefully.

Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by SomeoneFromCA on Monday November 09, 2020 @11:10AM (#25036221)
It is amazing how wannabe public health experts, with zero expertise in virology, are failing to understand that difference just in handful of nucleotides may make the pathogen a completely different beast compared to its nearest relative. And we are not even talking about the nearest relatives, common cold coronaviruses diverged like many thousands years ago from the SARS1 and similar viruses.

Nonetheless, the original SARS-1 (which is way closer to SARS-2 than say OC43), is known to be causing long term, debilitating health complication among significant number of survivors.

Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by thu2111 on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @05:17AM (#25044356)
It's not a completely different beast, is it? It's basically like a regular flu or severe cold, and yes rhinovirus can be deadly to the elderly, it's just nobody normally notices or cares because rhinovirus isn't "new". If anything it's actually less bad than flu because flu kills children too and this one doesn't.

Nonetheless, the original SARS-1 (which is way closer to SARS-2 than say OC43), is known to be causing long term, debilitating health complication among significant number of survivors

And yet it didn't turn into a worldwide outbreak, so one must ask how much value this classification scheme actually has, given that SARS-2 is really nothing like SARS-1 in either infectiousness nor severity.

Re:Covid vaccine: First ‘milestone’ vaccine offers 90% prote... by SomeoneFromCA on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @09:07AM (#25046035)
I usually stop arguing when I know that no one reads the discussion, because it is pointless at this moment, for the reason of me having no intention to convince you in anything, if you fail to see obvious things. I think we need to stop - no one is reading our conversation anyway.