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Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by MaximumYComb on Monday November 09, 2020 @02:42AM (#25032267)
Here in Australia the streaming options for music/video are better than our previous options for CD's/cable. A three month subscription to Spotify costs less than a single album would cost me 20 years ago.... not even account for inflation. A monthly Netflix subscription is 20% of the price that cable would cost here 5 years ago.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by echelon on Monday November 09, 2020 @02:51AM (#25032324)
> Spotify

You don't own the music. You can't share it, use your own software to analyze, shuffle, remix it, etc.

> Netflix subscription

But now there's Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO Go, Showtime Anytime, Peacock Premium, etc. Except now instead of one easy to use interface to access it all, it's spread out all over the place and inconsistent as hell. And more expensive!

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by matlock on Monday November 09, 2020 @02:57AM (#25032357)
> You don't own the music. You can't share it, use your own software to analyze, shuffle, remix it, etc

I'm a consumer of music, not a creator so I don't care that I don't own it. There are tons of ways creators can analyze, shuffle, remix or do whatever with it, but as a pure consumer Spotify is simply much better for me than CDs. I never cared about owning Music, CDs were always just a transport Medium so I can listen to the music.

> But now there's Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO Go, Showtime Anytime, Peacock Premium, etc. Except now instead of one easy to use interface to access it all, it's spread out all over the place and inconsistent as hell. And more expensive!

They aren't though because you can be selective and cancel anytime and resubscribe. And you can watch exactly what you want at any time compared to cable. As a consumer it is way better because there is way more choice and competition at the moment.

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by sbuk on Monday November 09, 2020 @03:32AM (#25032598)
You never did “own” it on a CD, or for that matter a on vinyl or cassette. You owned a license to privately listen to your copy of the music, that lasts as long as the medium is playable. Recording from the radio is technically unlawful, as is playing the music at large gatherings or broadcasting the music. Same goes for video cassettes, DVDs and other mediums. What you do own is a physical copy of the music/film. You cannot do what you want with it, which is what you are implying. I’m not suggesting that this is fair or just either.

Also, if you’re arguing against 30% fees, Spotify takes about 30% as a margin on every fee they receive, more for ads.

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by pitay on Monday November 09, 2020 @03:52AM (#25032743)
At least you had the right to resell CDs. Something lost even in DRM free online services. Cannot even give (transfer) a copy of the digital thing they bought to someone on the same service (ie they have it on their account, you now don't). The change to digital distribution has destroyed customer rights.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by lixtra on Monday November 09, 2020 @06:26AM (#25033637)
> Recording from the radio is technically unlawful

I thought this was settled the other way in https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sony_Corp._of_America_v._Uni....

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by sbuk on Monday November 09, 2020 @07:41AM (#25034125)
My frame of reference there is the UK. Should've been more explicit stating that. Sorry :)
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by musicale on Monday November 09, 2020 @10:14PM (#25042512)
In the US the Audio Home Recording Act explicitly legalized noncommercial recording (and also created a tape/CD-r tax to compensate copyright holders.) In an alternate reality this could have legalized file sharing onto (taxed) MP3 players. (Though the subsequent NET act added criminal penalties.)

How did Apple's Rip. Mix. Burn. campaign play out in the UK?

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by rorykoehler on Monday November 09, 2020 @03:12AM (#25032474)
I just stopped watching things. Kind of a strange outcome but I'm also more happy with it than expected.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by tubularhells on Monday November 09, 2020 @05:26AM (#25033300)
I haven't watched a lot of things the past 10 years. A couple movies with friends, but I can count those on one hand. I don't really miss it. Some friends find t weird and try to push recommendations still, and I thank them and tell them I'll put it on the list. Then I promptly forget what they talked about, but they seem to have been satisfied with this. No harm done, right?

On the other hand, they seem to be all about audio books while I tell them they are not the same as sitting down with a real one. They tell me they don't have time for books, and listening to them while working our, jogging, cycling is how they 'read'. I don't think they are getting the same thing out of it that I do actually reading the physical book in a single tasking way, but then again, I shouldn't be bothered by other people's habits.

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by icebraining on Monday November 09, 2020 @06:18AM (#25033587)
Oral sharing has been the human way of transmitting stories for tens of thousands of years. Your newfangled "written books" are just a novelty :)
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by spdionis on Monday November 09, 2020 @08:01AM (#25034293)
I think "single-tasking" is key though :)
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by tubularhells on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @11:12AM (#25047561)
Yeah.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by rorykoehler on Monday November 09, 2020 @06:34AM (#25033685)
I do audio books too. Actually often if a book is good I'll download the text too to read and listen to interchangeably. It's nice going for a walk in the park while listening to the book once in a while.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by tubularhells on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @11:13AM (#25047581)
I enjoy the walk and quiet. I do t want someone talking into my ear when I go for a lonely walk to get away from people, work, noise. I find that it defeats the purpose to take your phone with podcasts and audio books with you for such occasions.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by a10c on Monday November 09, 2020 @04:13AM (#25032878)
> But now there's Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO Go, Showtime Anytime, Peacock Premium, etc. Except now instead of one easy to use interface to access it all, it's spread out all over the place and inconsistent as hell. And more expensive!

Back in my younger days in Australia I remember we had to get the "Entertainment Plus" pack in order to get the sports channels on Cable. That included 65 other non-sport channels for a minimum of $110 a month. Now I pay $15 a month for a sports-only subscription service.

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by tubularhells on Monday November 09, 2020 @05:27AM (#25033307)
My single access frontend is the transmission-qt client. I can recommend it wholeheartedly.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by kgwgk on Monday November 09, 2020 @02:58AM (#25032364)
> instead of one easy to use interface to access it all

one easy to use interface to access whatever was on

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by dkdbejwi383 on Monday November 09, 2020 @03:07AM (#25032440)
> But now there's Hulu, Disney+, Amazon Prime, HBO Go, Showtime Anytime, Peacock Premium, etc.

Outside of the USA there’s far less choice, so less subscription overflow

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by echelon on Monday November 09, 2020 @04:43AM (#25033084)
It's coming for you...
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by neltnerb on Monday November 09, 2020 @02:57AM (#25032361)
You might honestly be right, for anyone who expects to buy five albums a year. The downside being that all the music you've "bought" might just disappear if the service goes down. It might be worth it, but the best of both worlds would be nice.

I'm not sure what that should be, but unlimited local copies of everything for a small amount of money doesn't sound fair -- but Spotify hardly deserves a big cut of it either.

A pickle indeed, if only there were a service that was more of a co-op of artists. Happy to hear recommendations, I'm using soundcloud still.

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by fabianhjr on Monday November 09, 2020 @03:05AM (#25032418)
It already exists on both fronts: stream2own and a cooperative.

https://resonate.is/

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by neltnerb on Monday November 09, 2020 @03:26AM (#25032556)
Oh, I remember this. Gosh, I really wish it was good, and I mean that sincerely. It's just got such a limited selection and set of genres, and if what I want is a radio station to listen to in the background half the time...

Don't get me wrong, the music is lovely. I like the idea a lot. It's just really not comparable =/

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by fabianhjr on Monday November 09, 2020 @03:38AM (#25032640)
It surely lacks RIAA-adjecent content; hopefully it gets better over time and improves the musicians' living conditions.
Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by richrichardsson on Monday November 09, 2020 @05:05AM (#25033193)
> might just disappear if the service goes down

The service doesn't even need to go down, the licenses with Spotify can be revoked/expire/etc. I love the convenience of having an almost unlimited library of music to listen to, I absolutely detest the fact that one day I might think, "Oh I'd like to listen to <X> from my playlist." and suddenly it's no longer available, because <reasons>.

Re:No More Free Work from Marak: Pay Me or Fork This by snemvalts on Monday November 09, 2020 @02:52AM (#25032327)
That's coming out of the musicians' pockets...