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Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by GhostVII on Thursday November 05, 2020 @01:45PM (#25000739)
It's pretty impossible to beat the $5 wrench attack (or in the case of the government, 5 years in prison) unless you have anonymity, which Bitcoin does a very bad job of.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by seibelj on Thursday November 05, 2020 @01:52PM (#25000811)
Luckily there is Monero https://www.getmonero.org/
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by StavrosK on Thursday November 05, 2020 @03:25PM (#25001619)
I don't know why Monero isn't more widespread. It's anonymous, cheaper than Bitcoin, and faster. Plus, there's xmr.to, which has integration with a bunch of wallets so you can send Monero directly to a Bitcoin address and they'll convert transparently.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by sfifs on Thursday November 05, 2020 @08:48PM (#25004076)
Well if it becomes popular, holding and dealing with Monero will be made illegal and ISPs will be tasked with blocking it.

Governments can be very vindictive if their tax revenue is threatened.

If you have a use case for Monero, you're better off it remains exotic enough that it flies under the radar.

Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by spurgu on Thursday November 05, 2020 @02:15PM (#25001017)
Not sure why you're getting downvoted, to my knowledge you're correct.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by coolspot on Thursday November 05, 2020 @02:50PM (#25001314)
I didn’t downvote, but Monero is not magic. State-level attacker absolutely can trace real-world recipients of money “laundered” through Monero.

See “Breaking Monero” series on YouTube.

Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by shitlord on Thursday November 05, 2020 @02:28PM (#25001138)
The IRS even has a $625k bounty for anyone who can break privacy coins like Monero!

https://heraldsheets.com/irs-will-pay-625000-cracks-monero-n...

Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by gmadsen on Thursday November 05, 2020 @03:04PM (#25001456)
people don't realize this. If there is no flaw in the current implementation of Monaro, then it can't be traced. It is entirely possible that something has been figured out and allows tracing, but that is no different than using bitcoin. So I don't get the hate towards Monaro. \
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by overkalix on Thursday November 05, 2020 @02:34PM (#25001178)
I'd be extremely surprised if this bounty was anything else than misdirection and bait.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by dorgo on Thursday November 05, 2020 @04:57PM (#25002489)
would you sell the secret how to break privacy coints for $625k?
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by driverdan on Thursday November 05, 2020 @03:35PM (#25001698)
There is no way they were only facing 5 years. Any sane person would do 5 years for a billion dollars.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by CydeWeys on Thursday November 05, 2020 @04:26PM (#25002157)
It's stolen property. They're never going to be able to keep it even if they do do some prison time. If their claim is that it's truly lost and they no longer have access, and then the funds ever move again on the blockchain, boom, right back to jail under contempt and other charges.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by s1artibartfast on Thursday November 05, 2020 @05:33PM (#25002823)
You can also do the time and leave the US after.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by kickopotomus on Thursday November 05, 2020 @03:51PM (#25001823)
It's worth a billion dollars today. But in 5 years, who knows? Could be worth $10B. Could be worth $0.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by mcfly1985 on Thursday November 05, 2020 @07:08PM (#25003502)
Ooo so brave, saying Bitcoin will go to 0! No one has heard that before!
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by kickopotomus on Thursday November 05, 2020 @08:30PM (#25003975)
Is there a particular reason for the snark? We are talking about essentially a 5-year blind trust in a historically volatile asset.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by amatic on Thursday November 05, 2020 @02:34PM (#25001172)
Well, it is stil a matter of research of how to maintain anonymity, and the best ones are keeping their secrets.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by sixothree on Thursday November 05, 2020 @04:28PM (#25002173)
Right. It's nothing half a million dollars worth of jailing costs can't fix.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by fallat on Thursday November 05, 2020 @02:19PM (#25001054)
Multisig or SSS.
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by Ancapistani on Friday November 06, 2020 @01:08AM (#25005343)
SSS?

In my circles, That’s instructions forgetting away with murder: “Shoot. Shovel. Shut up.”

Does it mean something else in this context?

Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by fallat on Tuesday November 10, 2020 @12:30PM (#25048503)
Re:U.S. Feds Seized Nearly $1B in Bitcoin from Wallet Linked... by NormenNomen on Friday November 06, 2020 @03:48AM (#25006095)
Or just set up 2fa and give the second factor to a third party whom the state has difficulty compelling. Granted this does require unconditional trust.