[1] https://goo.gl/maps/g31VwjMtvr7GwCsf8

https://www.ovh.com/ca/en/discover/canada.xml

The IPs are probably registered to their Montreal office but indeed, the data centre is in Beauharnois. Think they introduced their services there ~5 years ago.

Since the domain is using an ARIN IP it seems a decent bet that's where they were hosted.

I feel the need to point out that each EU country has its own judiciary system and laws. There isn't such a thing as an European court. There's are laws/agreements set at the European level that are supposed to trickle down to each country and the process is fairly complicated and messy.

It's a very strong misconception from US readers to think that there is an Europe court, like there is a supreme court or something in the US.

I don't really see there being much of a case to answer, although it may be possible to get the alleged secret law enforcement request. OVH terms of service will undoubtedly allow them to terminate your account for any reason.

You are not going there because an hosting company shutdown your mail service.

Last cases for reference: https://hudoc.echr.coe.int/eng#{%22languageisocode%22:[%22EN...}

A court action might bring some facts to light, but it's unlikely to reinstate the service.

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Justice [2]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regulation_(European_Union)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Court_of_Justice

> The European Court of Justice (ECJ, French: Cour de Justice européenne), formally just the Court of Justice, is the supreme court of the European Union in matters of European Union law. As a part of the Court of Justice of the European Union, it is tasked with interpreting EU law and ensuring its equal application across all EU member states under Article 263 of the Treaty of the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU).

So this is not a general supreme court. Cases which don't run in local law conflicting EU regulations can't end up there.

EU regulations don't cover everything and do often have large margins of interpretation. They are generally not laws but regulations about making laws.

So there is a good chance your case will never have a chance to end up there even if it continues to escalate.

Edit: also the ECJ does work different in the results they produce then you think, e.g. they can rule that a certain court action/law/etc. is in beach if regulations and anull it to some degree, but that didn't mean they can e.g. force gurillamail to be rehosted. At most they could "annul" a france court discussion that the takedown for given reasons was legal. Which seems similar but is a massive difference as they then could argue that the takedown was still legal due to other reasons and still win (or just delay it further).

FWIW, DNSimple was blocked by an entire country because we adhere to our local laws in the US and we didn't take down a site that was illegal in their country. This is the Internet we have today.

If I need a new service, I look at the list of temporary email services supported by the Bloody Vikings Firefox extension [1]. There are quite a few there.

[1]: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/bloody-viking...

Unlike others I've tried before, they seem to have a fairly large amount of domains in rotation, making them difficult to block as a website admin.

So when I register for hackernews I would likely just register [email protected], and if their data is ever leaked, or they sell it, I know who did it, or can block that email.

It's obviously not anonymous if that's your use-case, but it solves my issues of not wanting one email registered everywhere and eventually getting spam, and having accountability per service.

Amusingly, spam is still getting sent to some of these addresses that I revoked years ago, only to get bounced. I guess it's too much work for spammers to clean the deadwood out of their lists, especially since that inflates the number of addresses they can sell. The good thing is that these addresses are excellent spam traps for fail2ban.

France has a strong and growing body of anti-terrorist legislation, and I believe that some of it prevents providers from discussing some law enforcement notices (I believe that the same also exists in the US, hence some companies disclosing that they have NOT received any such requests. So when they stop saying that, you know what's up).

It is unclear which entity was providing the service to Guerrilla Mail.

There is a huge difference between these two cases. Most hosting providers in the world are not going to challenge law enforcement in their jurisdiction and will just cooperate. That's what OVH did, as everyone should have expected.

But at the same time most hosting providers in the world will oppose overreach of copyright trolls. That's what Github didn't do.

Still, if you need some minimal resilience it's never enough to rely on a single hosting provider from a single jurisdiction. Multiple different providers in different countries for frontend servers with some primitive DNS failover can easily solve this and similar problems.

Or don't use a "hosting provider" at all.

A full rack at he.net with 15a of power is USD $350/mo[1] - and that's probably not a super competitive rate. You can probably do better elsewhere.

Now you are the host. The notices go to you.

I don't know why we have this collective amnesia about what it takes to run a simple website.

[1] At their Fremont, CA HQ building.

Setting up another reverse proxy in the event of a take-down should be minimal effort.

It then becomes a game of whack a mole if anybody wants to take down a service. I assume this is how The Pirate Bay stayed up for so long.

Downside is doubling bandwidth costs.