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Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by ndomer on Monday November 02, 2020 @07:35AM (#24967445)
One big thing not mentioned here: the massive collection of managed services AWS gives you at no cost.

The biggest example is probably IAM, which makes it easy to control which servers can take what actions on which other services. And can also be integrated directly into external tools like Vault.

Want to use service discovery? No need to set up Consul/Istio/etc., just use the managed service. Same with load balancers, and VPCs, and SSM, and route53, etc.

Sure, in 2020 none of those services are that hard to replicate pieces of, and open source tools abound. But setting up those tools all takes time.

Only other nit is that the article makes it sound like Terraform and IaC is meant to abstract away AWS vs GCP such that one terraform module _could_ be deployed to either just by changing some string value from "AWS" to "GCP". I don't believe any serious (and good) efforts are being made in that space, and you won't find any popular modules like that on https://registry.terraform.io/.

Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by smolder on Monday November 02, 2020 @11:44AM (#24970039)
> At no cost

That's so ridiculous I'm not sure how to reply or even interpret your comment.

Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by throwaway894345 on Monday November 02, 2020 @01:03PM (#24971007)
I can't tell if your comment is a particularly rude way of picking the nit that "nothing is free, the cost (e.g., of IAM) is built into other services" or if you really find it absurd that the nominal price of many AWS services is $0 or something else entirely.
Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by smolder on Monday November 02, 2020 @06:08PM (#24974545)
I apologize for my rudeness. I wasn't adding anything with that comment. I did find the parent comment jarring, as if it was willfully ignoring the downsides in an effort to promote AWS. That's in a comment thread that otherwise seemed like a candid discussion of the pros, the cons, and how it's a good deal for some but a worse deal for others.

Of course, the cost is built into other services. As pointed out, AWS can get very expensive for many use cases, and that's exactly what you're paying for: access to managed services.

Beyond that by developing on AWS you are taking steps to lock yourself into using their system - your configuration isn't portable to other services. So the time/manpower you spend configuring AWS-specific things is another cost associated exclusively with its use.

Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by freeone3000 on Monday November 02, 2020 @02:02PM (#24971746)
The nominal price of $0 absolutely is absurd, since every individual service has a separate pricing chart down to the ELB.
Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by throwaway894345 on Monday November 02, 2020 @02:19PM (#24971925)
I can't find a pricing chart for IAM, which is the cited example.
Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by freeone3000 on Monday November 02, 2020 @04:49PM (#24973836)
IAM isn't a service. It's how you govern access control. Its nonsensical to charge for this, as an "IAM service instance" makes no sense.
Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by throwaway894345 on Monday November 02, 2020 @05:30PM (#24974250)
You don't seem to understand what a 'service' is. In particular, you seem to think a service is something that operates on resources called 'instances'. Here's the Wikipedia definition of a web service:

> a server running on a computer device, listening for requests at a particular port over a network, serving web documents (HTML, JSON, XML, images), which serve in solving specific domain problems over the Web (WWW, Internet, HTTP)

Clearly IAM is a service.

Further, the service needn't operate on resources called "instances" in order to provide value--few AWS services offer "instance" resources and yet they deliver value to customers and are consequently priced. IAM isn't priced directly, but rather the operating cost for the service is built into other AWS services, presumably to encourage people towards security best-practices (charging for IAM might dissuade users from building securely).

Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by luhn on Monday November 02, 2020 @04:20PM (#24973515)
There are many free AWS services. Off the top of my head:

- IAM

- VPC

- ECS

- Several SSM services

- CodeDeploy

Re:Is a billion dollars worth of server lying on the ground? by deegles on Monday November 02, 2020 @12:19PM (#24970520)
Maybe they mean that if you're already using some services, you don't need to implement another in the same way you would when self-hosting.