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Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by tzs on Thursday October 29, 2020 @12:22PM (#24932161)
I never really thought of this before, but now that I have I'm confused about backups. In particular, why do we back up some types things but not others?

I've never made backups of my books.

I've never made backups of my vinyl records or my cassette tapes.

I have made backups of all my CDs.

If the backup is to protect against loss of or damage to the media, I should be backing up books and records and tapes, and not backing up CDs. CDs live in a protective case, only coming out for short trips to a CD player, where they are played entirely enclosed, and playback does not cause any wear on the play surface.

Records and tapes are degrade slightly each time you play them. Books also suffer wear each time they are read, and are usually read in environments where they can suffer accidents.

Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by mafuy on Thursday October 29, 2020 @12:28PM (#24932253)
CDs are easy to back up, comparatively, and they do degrade faster then the other options over time (5, 10, 15 years and many become unusable).
Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by account42 on Tuesday November 03, 2020 @09:40AM (#24980001)
> 5, 10, 15 years and many become unusable

Wile writable CDs will decay relatively quickly, professionally mastered CD-ROMS will typically last longer.

On the other hand, a scratch in the wrong place can render a CD useless while a book with a torn out page will still be usable.

Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by mcherm on Thursday October 29, 2020 @12:27PM (#24932228)
The reason we do not make backups of our books is because there is no reasonable technological way of doing so.
Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by cardiffspaceman on Thursday October 29, 2020 @12:59PM (#24932583)
One can buy a second copy and donate it to the Library or give it to a friend. Now it's offsite, like all backups should be, and one doesn't advance technology much to achieve this. Depending on how you attribute a "cost" to the time it would take to make a duplicate of a physical copy, it may even be less expensive.
Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by justinclift on Thursday October 29, 2020 @12:42PM (#24932396)
Photocopiers and OCR and both things which people have used for this purpose.

The time it takes to use them for that purpose though... ugh.

Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by vcxy on Thursday October 29, 2020 @02:45PM (#24933978)
Interesting. I do have digital backups of all (or, nearly all... some are hard to find) of my physical books. I didn't make them from my own copy of course, but I still consider my digital library to be a backup of my physical bookshelves. Maybe this isn't as common as I had imagined, but I thought it was a fairly reasonable thing to do.
Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by leetcrew on Thursday October 29, 2020 @12:35PM (#24932325)
to be honest, I think "backup" is somewhat euphemistic. the real reason we "backup" CDs is because it is much more convenient to play their content from a computer than from a CD player. it's also trivial to make a lossless copy of a CD, unlike vinyl.
Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by tzs on Thursday October 29, 2020 @01:27PM (#24932877)
I did both.

I ripped them to my computer to play there and to download from there to my Archos Jukebox and later iPod.

But I also burned copies onto archival quality DVD-Rs, which are stored in my fireproof safe, and I think this definitely counts as a backup.

Re:Amazon Argues Users Don't Own Purchased Prime Video Content by leetcrew on Thursday October 29, 2020 @03:13PM (#24934379)
sure, I'm not saying the idea of archiving is illegitimate! just that I don't think this is why most people rip CDs. they do it because they want to make playlists, play songs on their ipod, etc. I don't think it even occurs to most people that a CD degrades over time.