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Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by badrequest on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @11:51AM (#24920197)
You're okay with the tool being difficult to use because you already know how to use it.
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by q3k on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @11:54AM (#24920245)
I'm okay with it being slightly more difficult to get started with, in return for higher productivity in the long run, yes. Right now, after spending a similar amount of time both with GitHub PRs (and Gitlab MRs) and Gerrit, I still find Gerrit much easier and faster to use.
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by llimllib on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @02:00PM (#24922006)
I'm generally okay with that tradeoff too, but we tried it early on at our company and the juice was not worth the squeeze, at least in our case.

Designers and even many developers found it essentially impossible to use and the developers who were reasonably comfortable with it spent way too much time assisting others in attempting to use it.

(fwiw I found myself somewhere in the middle - I like the model and understood the ideas but also found it annoying to work with in practice)

Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by dionian on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @07:28PM (#24925350)
Same. Cool idea in concept. Not something I have enough time to be interested in using heavily.
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by lawtalkinghuman on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:03PM (#24920382)
I'm okay with Vim being slightly harder to learn to use than VS Code. A tougher learning curve in exchange for more powerful tools can be a good tradeoff.
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by huskyr on Thursday October 29, 2020 @07:44PM (#24937448)
I think this is a good comparison, and exactly shows the problem: Vim is only used by a minority of developers, the majority use some kind of graphical editor (like VS Code). That doesn't mean learning Vim isn't a good tradeoff, it's just not a good tradeoff for the majority of people.
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by dionian on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @07:27PM (#24925342)
I already know how to use it and I hate how proprietary it is, I have so many other problems on my plate than customizing my Git to work a certain way. I like using the off the shelf tools that work nicely with the normal git workflows using temporary branches for MRs. And a nice UI that anyone can use with minimal effort or training.
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by kortilla on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @03:53PM (#24923393)
Difficult to learn != difficult to use.
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by noizejoy on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @04:39PM (#24923862)
I agree with you - for tools I use on a daily basis.

However, since my interests vary considerably, and therefore I dabble with lots of different tools, the difficult-to-learn tools never get enough traction in my limited human memory to get me to the easy-to-use stage.

If a community doesn't want to engage occasional users, it's probably fine (maybe even desirable) to have a higher barrier to entry to make daily use really fast.

If a community benefits meaningfully from occasional users, a high learning barrier may not be a good thing.

Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by parliament32 on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:30PM (#24920757)
"Because it's hard" is a bad reason to shy away from something.
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by marcinzm on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @03:45PM (#24923301)
No it's not, you have limited time and devoting X hours to gain back X/10 hours worth of productivity gain in the future is a bad investment. Don't do something hard for the sake of doing it unless the gains out weigh the cost.

https://xkcd.com/1205/

Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by svrb on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @11:54AM (#24920250)
Software should be written for users, not non-users. You'd think this would be self-evident and yet here we are.
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by zimpenfish on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:00PM (#24920342)
How do you then convert a non-user into a user with the least friction?
Re:Wikimedia is moving to Gitlab by Cthulhu_ on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @12:13PM (#24920518)
Force. I for one never looked at Gerrit and thought "I should push this at my employer". I'll probably never use it unless I'm forced to.