A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Crippling Headaches

Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by keeganpoppen on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:11PM (#24914687)

is it wrong that i hear about these attacks and i am utterly disgusted? i get that american CIA operatives aren't exactly the cleanest of the clean, but he was on a diplomatic mission and basically had the rest of his life ruined. is that just how life goes? same goes for the Havana cases, which are so obviously connected that it hardly even needs further evidence to substantiate at this point (and seem even more dubious than this one from a moral standpoint?).

i guess what i'm saying is that if i knew Putin were doing this to my people i would be apoplectic-- what am i missing? are we up to dirty stuff like this too? i mean, i guess something like Guantanamo counts as "dirty", but seems somehow in a different circle of hell from this... (maybe this is just my own ignorance talking).

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by eptcyka on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:16PM (#24914717)

Inter national politics is a cruel mistress. I think this is just a way to deter peaceful missions from the US without being actively aggressive.

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by free_rms on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:21PM (#24914760)

Yes, we and they are up to lots of dirty stuff way worse than this.

This is resonant because it's educated-class people. Not latin-american nuns being killed by death squads, harder to relate to that.

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by keeganpoppen on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:34PM (#24914852)

thats a really fair point (and part of what i tried to hint at with the chalking it up to my ignorance bit at the end)

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by jxramos on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:40PM (#24914882)

Daniel Hannan

    ...and by the way I think that the world is fortunate at the moment in its superpower you know.
    We basically you know, with all the occasional errors that your country makes as all countries do,
    I am glad that the preponderant power in the world is a liberal capitalist democracy rather than being
    Russia or China, right, or the European Union.

https://youtu.be/Ufyov9RO8I0?t=1511

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by Bahamut on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:34PM (#24914849)

The Cuba cases were likely crickets: https://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2019/01/sound-ha...

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by diebeforei485 on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:54PM (#24914986)

Or it could have been designed to sound like crickets.

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by spookybones on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:45PM (#24914922)

I don’t think the CIA does diplomacy. It uses the role of a diplomat as a soft-front for getting intel. I highly doubt the CIA/USA is ignoring this matter.

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by Nginx487 on Wednesday October 28, 2020 @02:19AM (#24915827)

All Russian propaganda based on hatred and de-humanazing Americans. Video of Russian mercenaries attacking US Army vehicle has been met with nation-wide jubilation. That's Goebbels-style with 21century technologies. US appeared to be unprepared for this round of Cold War.

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by PrinceKropotkin on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:15PM (#24914707)

> are we up to dirty stuff like this too?

Yes.

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Re:A CIA Officer Visits Moscow, Returns with Mysterious, Cri... by Ericson2314 on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @11:23PM (#24914777)

Well the US's M.O. would normally be regime change leading or regime propping leading to tons of abuse of civilians. Clearly in utilitarian terms that is way worse.

But I don't know of an example of messing with the personal well-being of diplomats/spies/goons/whoever who are in their country's compound rather than deployed in the field? Perhaps a taboo is being violated here?

No one got hurt by the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Thing_(listening_device).

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