Re:How journalists use youtube-dl
by backtoyoujim on Monday October 26, 2020 @07:37PM
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"The process for a subpoena takes forever"
No, it doesn't. And that "forever" are human rights that are established and should require a subpoena to contest.
I mean, we’re talking about publicly viewable stuff, here. Both the citizenry and law enforcement ought to have ways of archiving stuff like this.
(I can imagine lots of cases how this could be used to fight police corruption.)
That's for private, non publicly accessible, content.
If you post a video of murdering someone publicly - no subpoena should be required.
Re:How journalists use youtube-dl
by TecoAndJix on Monday October 26, 2020 @11:00PM
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They have a handy upload site for your requests!
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Maybe save that argument for where it applies?
In this thread we're talking about publicly available data.
The fact that the path that works for non-public data is burdensome is good because it reduces abuse. Demanding that it be used for public data too just creates more pressure to undermine the (already insufficient, IMO) protections that exist for private data.
Re:How journalists use youtube-dl
by danielheath on Monday October 26, 2020 @07:08PM
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I mean, 'taking a copy of publicly-available evidence' instead of asking someone else to provide it isn't exactly 'not doing policing properly'.
I think that using youtube-dl to download a video that a suspect has uploaded to YouTube, and presenting it in court is an example of doing policing right.
If you don't want your videos to be used against you in court, I would recommend not publicly broadcasting them to the entire world.
If I have a subject who has relevant video on a service like YouTube, and I decide to go the subpoena route, here's the process:
- Find the exact video, document the URL, Content creator's account name, and video upload date.
- Submit a preservation letter to Google to ensure the video will still be accessible when the subpoena is auctioned.
- go to my prosecutor/legal team to determine what jurisdiction the subpoena has to go through. It could be the county I'm in, the county the subject lives in, the county the video was uploaded in (unlikely), or the county where Google hosts the video.
- draft the subpoena and get it reviewed by whichever judge/magistrate applies.
- wait who knows how long for the subpoena response, hopefully it comes back with the real video and important content.
- face defense arguments in court that my subpoena was improperly obtained/submitted