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Re:No Implants Needed for Precise Control Deep into the Brain by fossuser on Monday October 26, 2020 @04:18PM (#24900877)
> At another point in the discussion, a man spoke of some benefit X of death, I don't recall exactly what. And I said: "You know, given human nature, if people got hit on the head by a baseball bat every week, pretty soon they would invent reasons why getting hit on the head with a baseball bat was a good thing. But if you took someone who wasn't being hit on the head with a baseball bat, and you asked them if they wanted it, they would say no. I think that if you took someone who was immortal, and asked them if they wanted to die for benefit X, they would say no."

https://www.lesswrong.com/posts/aSQy7yHj6nPD44RNo/how-to-see...

Re:No Implants Needed for Precise Control Deep into the Brain by Koshkin on Monday October 26, 2020 @05:04PM (#24901369)
Talk about being obvious. I am sure Stalin wanted to live to 100 years. I am also sure people are better off without him.
Re:No Implants Needed for Precise Control Deep into the Brain by p1esk on Monday October 26, 2020 @07:04PM (#24902540)
Everyone being immortal also means you can't kill your enemies. I imagine that would be quite a problem for people like Stalin.
Re:No Implants Needed for Precise Control Deep into the Brain by 0xdeadb00f on Monday October 26, 2020 @09:41PM (#24903706)
You can't kill them but you sure as hell can kidnap and torture them for eternity.
Re:No Implants Needed for Precise Control Deep into the Brain by webmaven on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @10:22AM (#24907682)
> You can't kill them but you sure as hell can kidnap and torture them for eternity.

For many would-be Stalins, the main point isn't the torture, but the kidnapping and incommunicado imprisonment (eg. in gulags).

The utility of torture comes in when you want to ensure the prisoner's compliance when reintroduced to society.

So: please note that immortality by itself doesn't preclude either sequestration nor adversarial behavior modification.

Technical solutions to both of those (integrity checks to detect coercion, restoring from distributed backups, etc.), start to run into the same sort of arms-races we have with internet filtering, botnets, and malware. Except that so far as a totalitarian regime is concerned, the uploaded dissident is the malware, as is any sufficiently advanced freedom-preserving tech.