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Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by dragonwriter on Monday October 26, 2020 @03:10PM (#24899962)
> Separately I view Twitter as breaking section 230 free speech regulatory agreements in meddling with what they 'publish'

Section 230 was overtly adopted so that platforms would make efforts to censor content that they found to be objectionable; there are no "free speech regulatory agreements" associated with it.

It is the only surviving part of a law whose sole and entire purpose was internet censorship, the rest of which was struck down for violating Free Speech protections.

Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by TigeriusKirk on Monday October 26, 2020 @03:49PM (#24900507)
When people say "violating section 230," rather than correcting them it's more instructive to understand what they're trying to communicate.

Usually it seems to be they're really saying "this shows section 230 is a bad idea."

If we could move past the reflexive "well actually" there's a real issue people feel needs to be addressed.

Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by pwinnski on Monday October 26, 2020 @04:07PM (#24900724)
It does reveal that there's an issue that bothers people, but I'm not sure it needs to be addressed beyond explaining that Section 230--or something just like it--is what gives us the free and open internet we enjoy today.

Without it, there is likely no Hacker News, nor any other social media.

Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by TigeriusKirk on Monday October 26, 2020 @04:24PM (#24900935)
There certainly are more fine-grained solutions possible.

My believe is that if this is forced into a take it or leave it scenario, we're not going to like the outcome.

Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by pwinnski on Monday October 26, 2020 @05:32PM (#24901722)
Nobody will, because changes to Section 230 will likely kill all social media.

Which, come to think of it, might be a net gain to society overall. Hard to say.

Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by jhayward on Monday October 26, 2020 @05:51PM (#24901917)
>When people say "violating section 230," rather than correcting them it's more instructive to understand what they're trying to communicate.

I think the first priority is to ensure that the poster's misinformation (i.e., telling people that 230 says/does something it is explicitly designed not to do) does not propagate through this medium. It's a public forum, not a conversation with just the poster.

Then, if possible, you can engage with their disfunction. But given the weaponized role of misinformation today that's the first item in the checklist to be addressed.

Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by TigeriusKirk on Monday October 26, 2020 @06:06PM (#24902061)
I really do disagree. I think it's far more important to understand and address the actual concern. Someone is going to. It would be far better if it was someone who understands what is at stake.

From my viewpoint, it's very likely Section 230 will be modified. Once that action is underway, you'll be well behind the curve if you're just starting to grasp what people want. Others will have taken that time and effort and figured out how to mold it to their own ends, and the momentum will be building.

Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by olivermarks on Monday October 26, 2020 @03:13PM (#24900013)
https://www.eff.org/issues/cda230

Twitter (and FB) have crossed the rubicon in editorializing other people's posts with 'fact checks' (sic), shadow bans and public bans.

Practically the opposite of the free speech maxim 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it' and alarmingly close to totalitarian use of their publishing power.

Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by jakelazaroff on Monday October 26, 2020 @03:18PM (#24900090)
Your link supports GP's assertion. There is no rubicon to be crossed. Both the letter and the intent of Section 230 is to allow Twitter and Facebook to moderate however they wish. (Although the fact checks are authored by them, and therefore don't fall under Section 230; Twitter would be liable if they were shown to be defamatory).
Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by thu2111 on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @06:21AM (#24905986)
Fact checks on Facebook at least aren't authored by them. They come from third party "fact checkers" of dubious legitimacy.
Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by AgentME on Monday October 26, 2020 @03:19PM (#24900109)
Nothing about section 230 says that platforms have to publish what people say, or that they are unable to moderate or editorialize the content:

>This legal protection can still hold even if a blogger is aware of the objectionable content or makes editorial judgments.

Re:Twitter still hasn't unlocked the New York Post's account by eesmith on Monday October 26, 2020 @03:31PM (#24900254)
Hall's quote from "The Friends of Voltaire" describes Voltaire's views concerning the revoking of Helvétius's right to publish De l'esprit, its ban in Rome, and more. By my reading, Hall doesn't imply that Voltaire meant to also 'defend to the death' the right for Helvétius to force a given company to publish his book - something which wasn't needed as it was quickly re-published across Europe.

Caesar has crossed this Rubicon so many times there's a 4-lane highway with a Waffle House at the rest stop. Forum moderators have been exercising their right of free association for a long time.

Why would Twitter (and FB) agree to be regulated as common carrier, with limited ability to discriminate in its service to the general public? What should it/they get in exchange?