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Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by specialist on Monday October 26, 2020 @11:24AM (#24897155)
Neil Postman's books influenced me tremendously.

I've been rereading McLuhan, Postman, Huxley, etc.

Manufacturing Consent is the most directly applicable to understanding social media. With at least two updates to the thesis.

#1

The outrage machine is fueled by advertising, right? What's new is the motivating control (choice) moved from the advertiser's intent to the algorithmic recommenders.

#2

Third parties learned to effectively manipulate the algorithmic recommenders. So whereas before the gatekeepers acted as a great filter, third parties are now able to command attention and drive narratives.

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Forgive me for stumbling over my descriptions. I'm just now trying to write out my notions. And I don't think any of this is "new". Just that with the new medium upsetting the old constraints and balances, different parts of the ecosystem are more impactful.

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by wombatmobile on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @02:24AM (#24904906)
Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by specialist on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @03:43AM (#24905203)
Yup. That book and Donald Norman’s Psychology of Everyday Things completely changed my trajectory.

Great video. I’d never heard Postman speak before. Thanks.

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by wombatmobile on Tuesday October 27, 2020 @04:17AM (#24905362)
Same.

There are more videos of him there, including an hour and a half lecture. I suppose that’s ironic, but not very, because NP was open to the idea that computer technology could lead to useful media. He just didn’t get to experience much of it in his lifetime.

Now, we can experience him through it, which is a blessing in this time.

:-)

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by vonmoltke on Monday October 26, 2020 @12:27PM (#24897895)
> The outrage machine is fueled by advertising, right?

The purpose of purchaing advertising is to increase sales of the advertised product or service. How does the "outrage machine" lead to increased sales of the products or services being advertised? Do you think many people are actually buying products through advertisements posted in, say, Trump vs. AOC flamewars?

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by specialist on Monday October 26, 2020 @02:01PM (#24899075)
Exactly. And are the advertisers happy?

Who has the (most) power in the social media ecosystem? Certainly not the advertisers. Today, the power balance has shifted to the aggregators (h/t Stratechery) and the trolls.

Here's a loaded question that might help explain the new power dynamic: Who are the current targets of dissastified customers? During broadcast era (the time of Manufacturing Consent), people boycotted advertisers and brands. Today, people boycott the aggregators (FAANG) and influencers (aka cancel culture).

Take it one step further. Let's call manipulating the algorithm "trolling" (for lack of a better term). What leverage does anyone have over the trolls? I find it very weird, a la roshambo, that there are no effective checks on their power. As in, how does one protest or boycott a troll farm? Even the aggregators struggle to check the trolls.

Re:‘Culture wars’ are fought by tiny minority – UK study by andrew_ on Monday October 26, 2020 @01:01PM (#24898351)
The "outrage machine" in this instance keeps the eyeballs on the page, which display the ads, which ties into the psychology of advertising. e.g. people remember advertising, even if they aren't consciously aware of it.