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Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by d23 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @04:24PM (#24862892)
Since you and the OP are here, I have a random question: were the blizzards ever made with liquid plastic ingredients?

It probably sounds insane, but someone from a plastics company spoke at my high school and said this was the case since it was easier to ship and needed no refrigeration. Now, decades later, I'm wondering if this was just complete nonsense or had an element of truth to it. I've been able to find nothing online.

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by pbhjpbhj on Thursday October 22, 2020 @04:56PM (#24863215)
Not my field, but edible gums (guar gum, or xanthan gum for example) is "plastic" (adj.). Gums are used more and more, AFAICT as a consumer; presumably to allow products to be bulked out with air.

Basically take anything homogeneous, add gum, add air, create a foam. Basically like an Aero bar but with way smaller bubbles.

You just cut a quarter (I'm guessing on this figure) off your ice-cream ingredients by weight and you can now advertise "scoops from the freezer"!

It's genius but just a more complex version of putting all the pizza toppings in the little window, or having the coleslaw tub be much wider at the top, or putting everything in a wide plastic skirt so the box is 20% bigger than it needs to be, ... packaged food sellers are scumbags.

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by LeifCarrotson on Thursday October 22, 2020 @05:14PM (#24863386)
This 'bulking up with air' is most evident if you go to the yogurt or cream cheese section and look for the Yoplait Whips or Philadelphia Whipped containers. It's the same product, just as a foam, and seems to be marketed as a healthier alternative where users choose a satisfactory portion by volume, not by calories or weight.

And while I think the whipped foods are stupid, I don't think that packaged food sellers are necessarily scumbags. They're merely people responding to incentives, just like everyone else. The food market has razor-thin margins and consumers are ill-informed. Neither consumers (who are hard to inform) nor regulators (who are captive to the multinational conglomerates) have been able to push back more strongly than the profit incentive, so the so dark patterns like those you describe are inevitable.

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by cavisne on Thursday October 22, 2020 @06:25PM (#24863931)
Plenty of dieters do this themselves with protein fluff/"ice cream" (protein shakes with ice and xanthum gum). Overweight people almost by definition eat by volume not by calories (ie they eat more than their body needs for caloric maintenance).

So these whipped products seem pretty useful.

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by csours on Thursday October 22, 2020 @05:25PM (#24863464)
Whipped cream cheese is much easier to spread, in my experience. I know I could whip it myself, but why not just buy it that way?
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by joshuak on Thursday October 22, 2020 @06:20PM (#24863891)
For me it's because I don't add xanthan gum, and I get a bulk discount on air.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by milesvp on Thursday October 22, 2020 @06:11PM (#24863831)
Yup, also generally same cost by weight.

My kids eat a lot of creamcheese sandwiches. Block cream cheese just destroys sliced bread.

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by scythe on Thursday October 22, 2020 @09:43PM (#24865239)
Essentially all cream cheese, whipped or otherwise, contains gums anyway. "Real" cream cheese is kinda grainy whenever I've seen it.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by wtracy on Thursday October 22, 2020 @05:45PM (#24863639)
It's not entirely true that regulators haven't plushed back: in the USA, there's a minimum amount of cream required before the vendor can call the product "ice cream".

The products in that category that have been puffed up with air (and don't meet this minimum) get sold as "dairy desserts".

(I don't work on the food industry, so I won't be shocked if I got details wrong.)

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by wnissen on Friday October 23, 2020 @01:53PM (#24872051)
Which is exactly why McDonalds menus list "cones" and "sundaes". Not "ice cream cones". It's a frozen dairy dessert that is not legally ice cream. To be fair, McDonald's version is superior to any other fast food frozen dairy desserts that I've had.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by scythe on Thursday October 22, 2020 @09:42PM (#24865237)
The bulking aspect doesn't bother me so much, what does bother me is that it's not as good and the only major ice cream brands left that aren't like this are Haagen-Dazs and Talenti.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by jbverschoor on Thursday October 22, 2020 @05:13PM (#24863371)
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by lhoff on Friday October 23, 2020 @04:55AM (#24867307)
What the hell

There is no way i would eat something linke that.

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by Reason077 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @06:50PM (#24864122)
> "having the coleslaw tub be much wider at the top, or putting everything in a wide plastic skirt so the box is 20% bigger than it needs to be"

These days the trend seems to be to reduce the packaging, at least here in the UK. "Same size - less packaging!". So it seems like reduced packaging and distribution costs, and perhaps fitting more onto store shelves, outweighs any extra sales from customers who are fooled into thinking the product is bigger than it really is?

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by IanCal on Friday October 23, 2020 @04:03AM (#24867062)
I think there are two things, one is a preference with some consumers towards less packaging (given two products about the same cost and one looks like less packaging I'll tend to pick that) and the other is there's been a lot of talk about taxing single use plastics so I've wondered if they've been trying to alter the supply chains before that point.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by wahern on Thursday October 22, 2020 @05:21PM (#24863434)
"The future is plastics!"

I'm not a chemist but I've recently come to realize that the meaning of the term in the popular psyche has probably changed over the decades, taking on largely negative connotations, because of its association with a small subset of materials (albeit large by volume), most of which are either toxic, a pollution problem, or both.

AFAIU, in industry "plastics" is just a blanket term for moldable organic materials that chemists are constantly inventing. They're not necessarily sourced from petroleum, nor necessarily toxic. It's a ridiculously huge category of material, and plastics really were and probably always will figure prominently in our future. And I would assume that some traditional, even edible materials have been subsumed into the plastics category given the general scope of the term and the industry itself.

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by kortex on Friday October 23, 2020 @11:40PM (#24876757)
Former chemist, yeah this always bugs me. Laypeople use "plastic" to refer to mostly inexpensive injection molded parts, but it really includes everything from LDPE bags to glass fibre reinforced nylon powertools to Rayon fibers to thermoplastic elastomers.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by fossuser on Thursday October 22, 2020 @04:39PM (#24863062)
Maybe you mean McFlurry (Blizzards were Dairy Queen). Basically the same thing, but not sure if whoever said that was specifically talking about Blizzards.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by d23 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @06:19PM (#24863887)
Ah yes, McFlurries. Got my wires crossed.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by Judgmentality on Thursday October 22, 2020 @04:45PM (#24863107)
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by DerekL on Thursday October 22, 2020 @05:23PM (#24863445)
Yeah! Whatever you do, never eat pretzels! They dip them in oven cleaner before baking, then they sprinkle them with those crystals they use for removing ice from roads!
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by Bjartr on Thursday October 22, 2020 @05:38PM (#24863580)
And dihydrogen-monixide figures heavily in their production. Nearly everyone that's ever died had consumed DHMO in the 24 hours leading up to their death!
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by nsxwolf on Thursday October 22, 2020 @06:35PM (#24864019)
I prefer "oxidane" for this joke, as most people haven't heard it, sounds poisonous, and dihydrogen monoxide is not wrong but it is irregular.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by bloaf on Thursday October 22, 2020 @07:07PM (#24864288)
Can also try out "hydranol" or "dihydral ether".
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by hibbelig on Thursday October 22, 2020 @06:20PM (#24863892)
DHMO is a very dangerous substance. For example, in gaseous state it causes skin irritation, severe burns even.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by surbas on Thursday October 22, 2020 @05:42PM (#24863606)
Lye dipped pretzels are a thing! I didn’t know that thanks!
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by chihuahua on Thursday October 22, 2020 @09:08PM (#24865110)
A solution of about 4% NaOH is generally recommended. Submerge the pretzels for a few seconds just before baking. It does something to the outside layer of dough that results in the brown crust of the pretzel. In addition to the pleasant color, it also affects the flavor. Also, it makes it easier for the coarse salt to stick to the outside of the pretzels. NaOH immediately causes stains on clothes and wooden cutting boards and countertops. Obviously it's also bad for your skin and especially the eyes, so be careful.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by astura on Friday October 23, 2020 @12:35AM (#24866076)
Bagels are usually dipped in lye as well, it's how they get their bagel-y texture on the outside crust.

Sodium carbonate is sometimes used as an alternative to lye for those who don't want to deal with the safety aspect of handling lye, as lye is very caustic. Of course, lye still provides the best results.

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by vageli on Thursday October 22, 2020 @06:50PM (#24864134)
> Lye dipped pretzels are a thing! I didn’t know that thanks!

Lye-pickled fish is also a thing (lutefisk)!

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by Blammar on Thursday October 22, 2020 @05:52PM (#24863697)
The best tasting soft pretzels are the ones dipped in a weak solution of lye, for sure.
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by balls187 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @07:04PM (#24864251)
Speaking about BK, the liquid they used to make the soft-serve was most certainly refrigerated.

Logically though, refrigeration based transport is not a concern for any fast food company. They use ingredients that absolutely must be transported cold, thus the cost of adding another menu item that must be shipped cold to that list is immaterial (even at scale).

Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by jonny_eh on Thursday October 22, 2020 @04:41PM (#24863080)
Re:I reverse engineered McDonalds’ internal API by shakna on Thursday October 22, 2020 @10:16PM (#24865387)
> Mcflurry ingredients: https://www.mcdonalds.com/us/en-us/product/mcflurry-with-ore... (no mention of plastic)

That's actually incorrect, they list two plastics there. It's just that "plastic" isn't something that is actually necessarily toxic, and the media misuse the terminology all the time.

The two are:

> Cellulose Gum, Guar Gum