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Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by chrisco255 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:08PM (#24860345)
The president can't pre-pardon him though. He'd have to go to trial first.
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by dragonwriter on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:10PM (#24860362)
That's completely false[0], no such condition exists in the Constitution and people (for the most famous, Nixon) have been pardoned without charges, much less trial.

[0] On further reflection, that's probably overstated. While there is no such express condition in the Constitution, and pardons have been issued in such circumstances (including the famous Nixon pardon), none of them have been challenged (such as by a later attempt to prosecute despite the pardon) in a way which caused a court to rule on their effect, and there are cases where the question of the Constitutionality of pre-conviction pardons has been raised, though those cases were resolved on other grounds. So it should probably be acknowledged that the claim that a pardon requires trial and conviction is an active legal theory, though one without positive support in case law, and one which the actual practical use of pardons in the US has not been consistent with to this point.

Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by jb1991 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:12PM (#24860390)
Completely false. Look at Nixon.
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by chrisco255 on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:19PM (#24860471)
I stand corrected...pardon me.
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by mikestew on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:36PM (#24860695)
Still time to delete that erroneous comment should you so choose. Be advised, now that there are replies, that it will show as "[deleted]".
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by lensi on Thursday October 22, 2020 @02:37PM (#24861629)
Yeah, just add an edit to the post.
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by buzzerbetrayed on Thursday October 22, 2020 @02:59PM (#24861938)
> pardon me.

Not until you go trial

Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by shadowgovt on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:35PM (#24860680)
Nobody's ever challenged Ford's pardon of Nixon.

It's actually real unclear what the legality of it would be if a subsequent President had tried to arrest him.

Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by bdcravens on Thursday October 22, 2020 @02:27PM (#24861461)
It's been surmised that "resign and get pardoned" may happen again in our lifetimes.
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by jaywalk on Thursday October 22, 2020 @02:18PM (#24861325)
What makes you say it's unclear? It's considered settled, even though the Supreme Court has never had to rule on it.
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by dragonwriter on Thursday October 22, 2020 @08:22PM (#24864861)
The Supreme Court has previously found excuses to dodge the question of the validity of pre-charge pardons, it is very much an open issue.
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by kpierce on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:21PM (#24860505)
You can but accepting a pardon is admission of guilt.
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by DubiousPusher on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:34PM (#24860667)
That has actually not been fully adjudicated by the courts.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burdick_v._United_States

> After President Gerald Ford left the White House in 1977, intimates said that the President privately justified his pardon of Richard Nixon by carrying in his wallet a portion of the text of the Burdick decision that suggested that a pardon carries an imputation of guilt and that acceptance carries a confession of guilt. Legal scholars have questioned whether that portion of Burdick is meaningful or merely dicta.

Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by patorjk on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:30PM (#24860620)
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by thakoppno on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:27PM (#24860576)
this is technically true.

however, is there any case where the admission of guilt has been used to coerce testimony from a pardon recipient?

is there really a practical downside to being pardoned?

Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by dragonwriter on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:33PM (#24860656)
> this is technically true.

No, it is not even technically true.

EDIT: However, as pointed out, the following statement, in my original response, was incorrect: Nor do pardons even have to be “accepted” to have effect, it's a unilateral executive power.

EDIT[2]: additional response on another point previously overlooked:

> however, is there any case where the admission of guilt has been used to coerce testimony from a pardon recipient?

Any imputation of guilt is a side issue on coercing testimony; a pardon (if accepted, and this is the main practical reason why it might not be accepted) makes the recipient immune to prosecution for the offenses it covers, and thus makes the Fifth Amendment protection against self-incrimination irrelevant to the extent related to offenses within the scope of the pardon. The government has plenty of power to compel testimony wherever the Fifth Amendment does not apply already, an admission of guilt is not necessary once that shield is moved out of the way.

Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by DubiousPusher on Thursday October 22, 2020 @01:40PM (#24860752)
Isn't the explicit ruling of Burdick that a pardon must be accepted by the individual?
Re:Russia gives Edward Snowden permanent residency by daveevad on Thursday October 22, 2020 @03:16PM (#24862178)
thank you for your knowledgable response and expertise.

are there any examples you are aware of where a person has been harmed by receiving a pardon or commutation?