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Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by bootlooped on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @08:58AM (#24847364)
My initial reaction is that this will not become very popular.

Many, probably most, jobs that include operating a forklift are not 100% just driving and operating the forklift, you have to get on and off it a lot, for example to change the propane tank or battery, hit the start button on a skid wrapper, fill out some paperwork, etc...

Many tasks that forklifts do could be automated to not include a forklift at all with some upfront investment. For example I used to move hoppers with raw material from one area onto the machines when necessary. They could have easily installed silos to store it with vacuum tubes to move the material around. But ultimately you still have to load and unload semi trucks, so if you already have the forklifts, you already have employees trained to drive them why automate it (well it would have made our jobs a lot easier, but I don't think that was a priority for them).

Are forklift jobs that dangerous to the operator that they should be automated? My impression was that the biggest risk involving a forklift was to nearby pedestrians. I do think the constant 360 view that those monitors provide probably helps; you also lose something in not having depth perception.

I'm very skeptical of the claim that more people would take forklift driving jobs if only they were from an office chair instead of actually on the forklift.

I think the best feature is your potential pool of workers is no longer limited to the immediate geographic area. The best case I can think of is a plant where the forklift only needs operated infrequently, so you have a pool of drivers that takes remote control of a set of forklifts only when needed, so their time is better utilized. But then it goes back to what are the other plant employees doing while the truck is being unloaded. I thinmk the b

Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by userbinator on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @09:47AM (#24847826)
I'm very skeptical of the claim that more people would take forklift driving jobs if only they were from an office chair instead of actually on the forklift.

I agree, and in fact would go so far as to say that the physicality of the job is what makes it less boring and thus appealing to some.

Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by Cerium on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @11:23AM (#24848718)
Exactly, I have a friend who is a forklift driver for Costco. He loves that the work is very self directed, that a portion of the warehouse is essentially his to make as clean and organized as he wishes. The main requirements are that all the incoming goods be stored and all the empty bays restocked.
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by tantalor on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @01:49PM (#24850270)
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by shagie on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @02:24PM (#24850600)
Have you introduced him to the game Wilmot's Warehouse http://www.wilmotswarehouse.com ? Under the covers, I consider it to be a word/idea game.
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by srtjstjsj on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @03:17PM (#24851068)
What does that mean?
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by shagie on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @05:51PM (#24852642)
The game is about putting boxes with icons or (abstract) shapes on them together so that they can be found easier later.

Consider the situation that you've been putting "things that are cold" together. Snowflake. Snowman. You've also been putting "Buildings" together. House. Castle. ... And now you've got an igloo. Where do you put that? "Things that are sports like". You've got a football, a baseball bat... and now a hockey stick. Does that go in the cold things? Oh, here's a stadium - does that go in the sports area? or the buildings group? You've been putting round things together - frog eggs, wheels, and this disk with a slash through it. And now you get things that look like pills... was that thing with a slash through it a pill? Should you move it over to the pills section? or leave it with the round things? Or maybe move the pills adjacent to the round things.

So on one hand, the game is about organization of things... on the other, it's a word and idea game about how you group particular things together.

Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by macjohnmcc on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @11:24AM (#24848722)
yeah who wouldn't want to drive a forklift even just for fun?
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by vidanay on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @09:36AM (#24847728)
The biggest risk involving a forklift is probably to building, equipment, and material damage. A ROV forklift probably would not improve that.
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by CamperBob2 on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @12:07PM (#24849144)
Kind of puts a whole new spin on the amusing Staplerfahrer Klaus training film. Turn it into a video game where the students are rewarded for maximizing carnage, and they won't forget those lessons easily.
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by incanus77 on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @03:17PM (#24851069)
First thing I thought of when I read 'forklift drivers' was Klaus. Here's a version with English subtitles:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJYOkZz6Dck

Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by nitrogen on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @04:48PM (#24852022)
Just so anyone else clicking the link knows what they're getting into, the video has a lot of comedy gore.
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by tibbydudeza on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @03:46PM (#24851323)
LOL.
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by sidpatil on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @01:12PM (#24849880)
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by zeku on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @10:33AM (#24848248)
The people I know who are forklift drivers are doing so because they don't have other skills and getting trained to do forklift was their only way to get a living wage.

I really don't think those people would pass on the job if it moved to an office chair.

Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by LoSboccacc on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @09:59AM (#24847936)
I think there's so much more to it. once they're remotely operated is quite easier to install an ai in the control loop.

it will first be training only. it will then start taking off the less risky task, like driving the lift to parking space after being used. Human will be gradually moved into facilitator jobs, taking over the difficult situation, and ultimately supervision only

however I am left wondering why, in the midst of the autonomously driven vehicles hype, people are focusing on the messy, unpredictable road environments instead of working on these kind of in-between situations that are harder than an automated warehouse but simpler than the public world.

Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by thesuitonym on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @11:16AM (#24848641)
This is such a silicon valley response. In what way is it easier to add actuators to a forklift, and get a second set of control hardware that connects through a network (And all the additional problems that brings in) than to just put sensors on the vehicle?
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by LoSboccacc on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @12:21PM (#24849307)
because the net would have to control the actuators anyway, but it's not a given that an actuator can move controls as fast as an human would be able to. putting the human in control of the actuators instead of sensors on controls solves that issue.
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by petra on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @10:13AM (#24848057)
I know a company that does teleoperated food delivery using drivers from Columbia, to save on salaries.

At $4/hr, there's no big rush for self-driving.

That could apply to forklifts too.

Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by allannienhuis on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @12:03PM (#24849107)
Where is this? I would expect that teleoperated vehicles on public roads are not legal in most jurisdictions.
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by ku-man on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @10:48AM (#24848396)
Guess you mean Colombia.
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by tibbydudeza on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @03:48PM (#24851339)
So this is what the Tesla self driving beta is all about.

Who needs AI and all that when you get somebody from a third world country at low pay and qualified by completing GTA V.

Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by BMSmnqXAE4yfe1 on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @04:17PM (#24851638)
Haha I have been driving for 27 years but can't get past the third level of GTA V)
Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by tarr11 on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @10:04AM (#24847977)
> to change the propane tank or battery, hit the start button on a skid wrapper, fill out some paperwork,

These are all much lower skilled jobs that are easier to staff.

Re:Forklift truck drivers who never leave their desks by bootlooped on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @12:30PM (#24849402)
There's a pretty low barrier to entry to driving a forklift, at least in the jurisdiction I did it in. Training took place on the job site, by other employees, and it took no more than a few hours.