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Re:First Bitcoin “mixer” penalized for violating anti-money ... by jl2718 on Monday October 19, 2020 @03:43PM (#24830107)
I suppose the liability, if so broadly interpreted, would fall on the miners, but only if it could be proven that they won a block that contained a transaction used for illicit purposes.

The interpretation that somebody is liable for mixing at all, with no illicit use proven within the transactions, is probably questionable. The miners are also not receiving dirty money as compensation, so even more so.

And even with illicit use shown, laundering can happen with just about anything you can buy and sell, so, unless every retail store is doing KYC, then they could also be exposed to such liability.

Above all, I don't know if coercion is a successful long-term strategy for defeating privacy coins. Even for criminals, the value must tie back to average citizens purchasing it from them, and even with no enforcement they would not want to be part of that, and the value would collapse. If a privacy coin does have value, it reflects political fears of the average citizen, and aggressive enforcement unaligned with common values may actually increase its value.

The dollar system is the most valuable partially because it does enforce common values, and permits all else within. But obviously not everybody believes that this is guaranteed in the future.

Re:First Bitcoin “mixer” penalized for violating anti-money ... by freeone3000 on Monday October 19, 2020 @07:30PM (#24832252)
Money laundering does not require the actual source of the money be illegal. You can fall foul of 18 USC 1956 through a.2.B.ii route, where merely deliberately concealing the source or destination is punishable by a fine for the entire amount concealed. a.2.C provides for 2 years in prison if you didn't report when you had to. This is not a questionable interpretation, this is the law as written -- mixing is illegal on its face, no matter the source or destination.
Re:First Bitcoin “mixer” penalized for violating anti-money ... by jl2718 on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @12:19AM (#24833887)
Thank you for the citation, but now that I've read the law, every section in here seems to require that at least part of the money is proceeds of unlawful activity: https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1956
Re:First Bitcoin “mixer” penalized for violating anti-money ... by freeone3000 on Tuesday October 20, 2020 @01:56AM (#24834307)
Those clauses are joined by an "or", not an "and". One element alone is enough to satisfy.
Re:First Bitcoin “mixer” penalized for violating anti-money ... by jl2718 on Wednesday October 21, 2020 @12:59PM (#24849727)
Wow, okay, so pawn shops too I guess: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20602562

If reporting is already required for all cash transactions, then certainly it will be built into the digital USD.

And Monero miners would have a problem here too. KYC required on every transaction in every block.

Okay, so, what if you did KYC on all the inputs, but you ran a mixer such that the outputs would be obfuscated? Is that legal? What if you take outputs from a set of those mixers? Is there any legal way to provide irreversible privacy for known legal sources?