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Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by madeofpalk on Sunday October 18, 2020 @09:38AM (#24817796)
It’s just exceptionally difficult to quantify what “privacy” is. The trade off is between something very tangible vs the intangible
Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by salawat on Sunday October 18, 2020 @10:57AM (#24818270)
Privacy:

We talk, and you don't go telling other people what we talked about, or keeping ledgers, or training models, etc.

It isn't that hard at all. Unless, of course, your paycheck is reliant on you not understanding it.

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by TheRealPomax on Sunday October 18, 2020 @12:12PM (#24818885)
"Ah okay, thanks for the clarification. Sounds like that doesn't apply to the internet then, because I'm just loading websites in a browser, I'm not talking to anyone. Thanks again for clearing that up!"

defining privacy in a contextually relevant and concise manner is hard.

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by salawat on Sunday October 18, 2020 @01:31PM (#24819549)
Yep. Your problem is you're hiding all the inconvenient logging and generation of metadata propagating knowledge of my communication with your website beyond the scope of what was intended every time you propagate out metrics logs, or transaction data out to other third parties.

If you stop at "oh, an HTTP session happened", you're being a disingenuous maker and perpetuate of strawmen. It's almost always what happens with data by actors you invite into that "seemingly private HTTPS transaction" that violate the simplestsocial precept of the technical exchange.

Things branch off from there. If you can't see that as a fundamental breach of privacy and professional discretion, then again, it's likely you have a vested interest in not seeing it. It's damned obvious to anyone who doesn't.

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by Razengan on Sunday October 18, 2020 @04:39PM (#24820957)
> defining privacy in a contextually relevant and concise manner is hard.

How about asking the users what privacy means to them.

Why is the concept of "consent" so hard to user-hostile devs?

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by TheRealPomax on Friday October 30, 2020 @11:18PM (#24948896)
Why would Google be interested in getting consent for something they can force without you being able to complain about it? That makes no business sense, and the only thing that makes Google change things is if there are dollars at stake.

And then only dollar amounts that move the needle (and if your choice negatively impacts the business by only a million dollars ayear, that's an irrelevant difference for Google. They literally don't care, because a million is peanuts, and does not move the needle)

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by Razengan on Sunday October 18, 2020 @10:48AM (#24818217)
No.

> It’s just exceptionally difficult to quantify what “privacy” is.

No, it’s really not difficult:

Don’t try to learn more about me than what I explicitly choose to tell you myself.

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by izacus on Sunday October 18, 2020 @04:18PM (#24820793)
That's _your_ definition which may have pretty much nothing to do with how other people see it. We won't be able to have a clear conversation about privacy until every person is on the game page about that.

Until you understand that, you'll continue to be "surprised" when people say they care about privacy but not the pet peeve you have.

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by Razengan on Sunday October 18, 2020 @04:29PM (#24820883)
How about this then: ___Consent___

Is that exceptionally difficult for you to quantify as well?

As someone else said: It isn't that hard at all. Unless, of course, your paycheck is reliant on you not understanding it.

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by klyrs on Sunday October 18, 2020 @11:13AM (#24818421)
... and don't go blabbing about what I've said, unless I asked you to.