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Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by simonh on Sunday October 18, 2020 @08:59AM (#24817554)
They don’t have to be altruistic as long as their interests align with those of their customers. So far on privacy they’ve spent billions of dollars building a reputation for protecting user privacy, fought court cases and probably given up billions more in potential revenue from user data monetisation. I’m not about to give up using a smartphone or online apps, so given I need to make a choice, I’m happy with the one I’ve made so far.

All you have given is possible reasons Apple might compromise, but those have applied for many years. If they do start compromising then sure, let’s re-evaluate.

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by politelemon on Sunday October 18, 2020 @09:38AM (#24817799)
They have spent on _marketing_ privacy. Their court cases were a great exercise in PR. They still have the highest compliance rate with US government for turning over user data, which they hold the keys to, and the Chinese government. User data monetisation is not the only danger to be wary of, it just happens to be the one that gets trotted out most often.

The time to re-evaluate is already here, it's just hard to do so when you're already locked into their ecosystem.

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by Xylakant on Sunday October 18, 2020 @10:10AM (#24817992)
It’s not as simple as taking the compliance rate. The question is, how much data do they hold that they can tune over. How much of it is client-side encrypted.

Twitter handing over the DMs for a user: very much problematic- they’re plaintext. Apple handing over the iMessage history for a user: much less problematic, it’s E2E encrypted. (though still an issue - metadata may still be plain)

Fundamentally it boils down to some trust level - how much of what apple says about their data storage is true?

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by hu3 on Sunday October 18, 2020 @10:50AM (#24818228)
For starters, Apple can turn in all iCloud backup data since they ditched strong encryption plans after FBI complained.

> The question is, how much data do they hold that they can tune over.

https://www.androidcentral.com/apple-may-have-ditched-encryp...

Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by simonh on Sunday October 18, 2020 @03:01PM (#24820235)
I don’t understand how complying with the law and not criminalising their employees is a ding against them. I don’t think I’ve ever seen that used as a criticism of any other company, but it’s regularly used against Apple. It’s really bizarre. If you dont want companies complying with the law surely what we need to do is change the law and challenge governments. What matters is what they choose to do within the law, and as a customer I’m satisfied.
Re:Chrome exempts Google sites from user site data settings by briandear on Sunday October 18, 2020 @01:18PM (#24819406)
> They don’t have to be altruistic as long as their interests align with those of their customers.

Exactly. You just summed up why capitalism works in a single brilliant sentence.