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Re:Fund manager: ‘Nightmare’ US stock valuations driven by ‘... by toomuchtodo on Thursday October 15, 2020 @01:34PM (#24791294)
The market is already pumped, pricing in a stimulus policy that is highly unlikely to arrive, or if it does arrive, it won't be sufficient to support a robust recovery that would justify current valuations (outside of tech companies dragging SPY up). Entirely possible we're at "the top", but there currently is no alternative to equities if you're chasing yield.
Re:Fund manager: ‘Nightmare’ US stock valuations driven by ‘... by swiley on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:35PM (#24792095)
Is GDP really that far down? (and will it stay down without a stimulus package?) I'm not convinced the market really needs a recovery. Sure the majority of people need it but I'm not sure that has much of an effect on production, especially if cost of living is going to go down due to the bottom dropping out of the real estate market.
Re:Fund manager: ‘Nightmare’ US stock valuations driven by ‘... by poulsbohemian on Thursday October 15, 2020 @05:16PM (#24794111)
>especially if cost of living is going to go down due to the bottom dropping out of the real estate market.

This sure as heck isn't happening in my market... all year long I've listened to a group of potential buyers tell me they are going to wait because the bottom is going to fall out any day now ... every piece of data I have shows that the opposite is happening - we have more buyers than physical homes here and prices have been on a steady upward trajectory for the past five years. With interest rates at historic lows, there's no reason to believe buyers aren't going to continue to acquire homes.

Now - in other markets? Maybe there will be a correction, but that's actually bound to help my market and likely others too, as people move from expensive areas to less expensive areas. SFO / LA / PDX / SEA aren't going to collapse overnight.

Re:Fund manager: ‘Nightmare’ US stock valuations driven by ‘... by hcknwscommenter on Thursday October 15, 2020 @05:13PM (#24794057)
>Is GDP really that far down?

GDP is down. Bigly.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/GDP (click on the 1yr timeframe to see it better).

Re:Fund manager: ‘Nightmare’ US stock valuations driven by ‘... by harambae on Thursday October 15, 2020 @03:28PM (#24792758)
>especially if cost of living is going to go down due to the bottom dropping out of the real estate market

where's the evidence of this so far?

Re:Fund manager: ‘Nightmare’ US stock valuations driven by ‘... by engineer_22 on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:25PM (#24791957)
What compels you to chase yield?

How do you make the case that the risk (probability of loss multiplied by magnitude of loss) doesn't exceed the expected yield?

I think hedge fund manager in original title is saying he's uncomfortable with the risk/yield equation right now.

Re:Fund manager: ‘Nightmare’ US stock valuations driven by ‘... by toomuchtodo on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:31PM (#24792045)
In the case of institutional managers, they live and die by their returns. Take pension funds: if they do not meet their return targets, pensions get cut (or debt is issued to make up the gap, big yikes).

I agree with your last statement: the amount of risk isn't realizing a corresponding risk premium in the returns available. Yet, you must invest somewhere. That's your job (as an institutional investor). A lot of structural financial heartache ahead.

Re:Fund manager: ‘Nightmare’ US stock valuations driven by ‘... by AlchemistCamp on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:00PM (#24791611)
> there currently is no alternative to equities if you're chasing yield

What about DeFi?

Re:Fund manager: ‘Nightmare’ US stock valuations driven by ‘... by toomuchtodo on Thursday October 15, 2020 @02:04PM (#24791665)
Has no intrinsic value. Might as well go to a casino.