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Re:HomePod Mini by m463 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @01:56AM (#24773552)
That is a naive (and demonstrably false) assertion.

Apple's privacy stance is really just marketing, like "There's nothing so absurd that if you repeat it often enough, people will believe it."

You don't have to use an apple device for more than a minute to realize this.

For example, you cannot use a new apple iphone without activating it with apple.

In the first screen or two, you are presented with their privacy policy, with is literally hundreds of pages long.

The rest of the setup is full of dark patterns, and even though it is GDPR compliant, it is very hard not to come out of the process without signing in or allowing them access to your data.

I think all of this comes from "business common sense" which is based on fear. They want data (and control) because it is an easier and more guaranteed way to make and sell things.

The only way out of this (for all of us) is actually robust competition by someone who will do it right and not collect data in the first place. (hint: it will help if they use rounded corners, gradients and transparency)

Re:HomePod Mini by systemvoltage on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:08AM (#24773631)
I’m not convinced. Fundamentally, Apple is a services and a hardware company. They have no business in advertisement. Do you follow Stratechery (Ben Thompson)? He writes about Apple’s privacy fundamentalism here (midway through the post): https://stratechery.com/2019/privacy-fundamentalism/
Re:HomePod Mini by m463 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @02:53AM (#24773872)
Aside from the fact that Apple DOES do advertising, you have to understand that even outside this - your data is valuable to apple and they take steps to keep it turned on. In some cases they are contractually obligated to collect the data.

Here's the thing -- by circumstance they are like arms dealers stuck selling arms to both sides. They must entice app developers to develop for their platform, and they must also entice consumers to buy their products.

Personally I think if apple was concerned about privacy, they would let you see what your phone is doing, and let you firewall your phone (one that could block apple traffic).

Re:HomePod Mini by bzzzt on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:07AM (#24773956)
What good is it to bombard a non-technical user with packet dumps and firewall settings that probably only break apps?
Re:HomePod Mini by ac29 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @03:20AM (#24774041)
Apple certainly does have an advertising platform for the App Store and Apple News. They describe their privacy stance here: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT205223

Maybe this is better in practice than other ad platforms, but they explicitly say that they use information about you to serve you targeted ads such as: location, age, gender, purchases from the App Store, what news you read, etc etc.

Re:HomePod Mini by cztomsik on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @06:57PM (#24782695)
Re:HomePod Mini by rossjudson on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:43AM (#24774501)
You are funny. According to this article Apple makes a great deal of money from search and advertisement:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/johnkoetsier/2020/06/08/apple-c...

Re:HomePod Mini by simon1573 on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @04:56AM (#24774581)
Please note that is is a blog post and not an "actual" Forbes article.