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Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by baron_harkonnen on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:46AM (#24766686)
I find it so bizarre that high paid software developers can't imagine the idea of paying for something they want to see.

The vast majority of people doing creative work that you enjoy largely for free are making barely enough to survive off of it, or doing it as a "labor of love".

For years people said "oh if only there was some way to pay the content creators directly!" now with Patreon there is.

Most software engineers have no problem dropping $20 on a four pack of nice beer, but can't be bothered to pay $5 to watch more of a video they already spend 20 min watching for free? With the added bonus that you are supporting the creation of more content you like?

It's not a big deal if you don't want to buy the product, but to complain that it's something you have to buy is absurd.

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by abstractbarista on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @12:20PM (#24767009)
Basically I inherently value non-copyable things more than easily-copyable. This means I'm fine paying $10 for a 6-pack of Miller High Life at the gas station, but will still torrent The Office even if I could pay $5/mo to stream it for the next year.

It just is what it is honestly. You're never going to change this mindset. I'm sure there are many ways you could list that it is detrimental to society, people, etc. And I'd be inclined to agree! But I just don't care, and many others don't either.

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by adanto6840 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @12:45PM (#24767270)
As an indie game developer, this kind of saddens me. I'll give you the benefit out the doubt, I'm guessing you make some kind of distinction as far as "SaaS" vs "bigCorp" vs "indie" -- but I still don't think it's the right perspective. I guess at EoD I'd encourage you/everyone to consider the content makers and support the ones that make content you enjoy, big and small alike.
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by effingwewt on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:41PM (#24768650)
If the video had stated the fun stuff was in another video I'd have been fine watching ads for what I'd intended to see. 18 mins with ads even as part of the video makes this pure clickbait.
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by elif on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:36AM (#24765938)
Hacksmith said the video would be released in a week to the public. It is not a new strategy at all to release content early to your financial supporters.
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by wmeredith on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:45AM (#24766678)
Yeah, this isn't some new trick. And considering the amount of knowledge and work on display, it seems totally reasonable.
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by regulation_d on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:31AM (#24765886)
Hard disagree. The bit where they're machining the hilt was definitely worth my time. The glass blowing nozzle also super cool. I'm not likely to pay for the rest of it, but I definitely don't feel like my time was wasted.
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by dhagz on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:00AM (#24766207)
Besides, the video with the demo of the lightsaber goes public tomorrow (Oct 14). I can wait until then.
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by Atlantium on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:11AM (#24765686)
He clearly says at 17:37 "...for everyone else it will be out next week."
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by thspimpolds on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:29AM (#24765860)
Which in this case is tomorrow. The original video was posted last week
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by lhorie on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:37AM (#24766596)
They said they'll release that video on youtube a week after this one.

In the meantime, they have a ton of other similar content that you could watch until then.

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by blamestross on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @09:59AM (#24765587)
They will release it on YouTube eventually. They have to make money somehow. "Early Content Access" is a model folks are trying right now.
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by tweetle_beetle on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:29AM (#24765864)
> They have to make money somehow.

- multiple ads on the video itself

- multiple links to their merchandise in the description

- link promoting a paid YouTube membership in the description (which links to a sponsored video with a referral link to an unrelated financial product)

- 26 referral links in the description

- referral link to a completely unrelated mobile game in the description

- referral link to a completely unrelated mobile game as a pinned comment

- promotion of Patreon in the video itself

It's a bit disingenuous to suggest that without early content access they have no way of monetising their content.

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by gurustave on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:45AM (#24766048)
They're also a LOT higher budget than the vast majority of other YouTube channels, necessitating all the additional funding streams. I don't know what the final cost for that Protosaber was, but including all the R&D and Man Hours along with the materials, I'm sure its pretty crazy.
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by slimginz on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:14AM (#24766356)
Not quite the same since it's a much larger team but Linus Tech Tips actually just released a video[1] on how they make money and it shows that diversifying your revenue stream as much as possible is key to be successful on YouTube.

[1]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zt57TWkTF4

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by coddle-hark on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:43AM (#24766025)
Or you could just sign up for the Patreon and get their videos without all that. I don’t see how giving people the option to pay for stuff is a bad thing?
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by baron_harkonnen on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:50AM (#24766721)
Oh you want to get a base salary as well?

- already have RSUs

- annual bonus

- health care benefits

- paid vision

- paid time off

- snacks in office

It's a bit disingenuous to suggest that without a base salary software engineers have no way of monetising their skills.

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by ada1981 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:11AM (#24766323)
But who cares if they do use early access content as a way to pay the bills?

You seem like you expect people to work for you for free to create content to entertain you?

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by devthrowawy on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:40AM (#24766629)
I'm not sure what you're getting at here. They should willingly be making less money?
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by NikolaeVarius on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:28AM (#24766518)
Give them money to bypass it
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by tweetle_beetle on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @04:33PM (#24769999)
It seems I've missed the window to edit my comment, so to address all the negative sibling comments: I am not moralising - I don't care what they do.

Grandparent complained the good content is paywalled. Parent suggested that's because they can't monetise any other way. I provided examples of how they are monetising already.

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by whoomp12342 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:09AM (#24765675)
I liked youtube more when it didn't have google.
Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by tsujp on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:20AM (#24765787)
I'll bite.

Google bought YouTube in 2006 which was ~1 year after it spawned.

The _idea_ of being social on the internet then -- apart from forums et al -- was very new. I was using YouTube as an 11 year old and all that was really being posted were cat videos, blogs, Fred, and these kind of low-budget home videos. People were still figuring things out. It was an exciting time because it was a new thing; but _precisely_ because it was a new thing that's what was exciting.

The content on YouTube now is orders of magnitude more diverse than then and still includes the stuff of yonder. Let's leave hyperbole out of it.

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by MeinBlutIstBlau on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @10:28AM (#24765853)
I always hate when people say stuff like "things were better back when..." specifically for the internet stuff. There are a lot of people that wax nostalgic about how "it was a better era" but in reality, it was god awful video quality, low effort or simple content, creators that made stuff when they felt like it, and much harder to use youtube as a search engine as opposed to just an entertainment machine.

The internet pre-today was just garbage. The issues with being tracked and Facebook...blah blah blah are all minor in comparison to it's convenience it's brought. Remember when you ACTUALLY had to make a forum post and engage with others online to maybe get the answer you were looking for? What about online shopping? Did you really like relying on some sketchy website that someone whipped up and didn't bother to secure your info with they're half-baked payment processing page?

The thing these people often forget is, that garbage content they think is so great is still there. They just don't actively look for it anymore. They just see the top promoted channels and go "oh wheres the good stuff!" but don't bother to search for it. They never sort by new I bet on any website.

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by whoomp12342 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @11:43AM (#24766663)
no, I'm not being nostalgic. In the early days of youtube it was just content. Sure the content is crisper and more available, but there was no motivation to like & subscribe. There was no drama with demonitization. There were no ads. All of this was brought on by google.

is youtube still a decent product? Sure

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by MeinBlutIstBlau on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @08:45PM (#24772012)
You don't have to have ads on your youtube site. This is what happens when people go with the path of least resistance and don't host things themselves or at least utilize someone elses video player while they host the video.

I don't have sympathy here because these people are playing on Googles platform. Google is trying to navigate these waters with as much automation as it can. Unfortunately it can't do a good job of it just because there is an absurd amount of content given to them every second.

If you're livelihood is based around someone who does the corralling, you can't get upset they weren't perfect. You should've been aware of this from the get go seeing as you are not the one in control.

Re:4000° Plasma Lightsaber Build (Retractable Blade) [video] by IshKebab on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:43PM (#24768681)
You mean back when content like this wasn't on it?