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Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by mschuster91 on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @07:45AM (#24764580)
> At one point EU should realize that the US are playing the same game as the Chinese and are really not business friend.

While I (as a German) agree that the US imperialism and dominance in high tech is a problem, I would not go as low and say the US is on the same level as China, which is an outright threat to all core values of the Western nations.

Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by burntoutfire on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @12:46PM (#24767287)
US is also a threat to Western values, just look around the world and see how many people hate America. Usually it's because of the pretty bad shit that American government has done to them. Though I agree that being under Chinese or Russian rule seems like an on average worse outcome than the current American dominance.
Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by anonAndOn on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @02:46PM (#24768734)
FWIW, Churchill wasn't completely wrong when he (supposedly) said, "You can always count on Americans to do the right thing - after they've tried everything else."
Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by burntoutfire on Wednesday October 14, 2020 @07:26AM (#24775375)
If only that were true. In history of American foreign policy, there's plenty of cases where America severely messed some nation up and then just... got up and left.
Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by someguydave on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @08:06AM (#24764744)
yes, for one thing German companies can and do purchase and operate US subsidiaries without much government interference, unlike in China
Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by oblio on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @08:46AM (#24765058)
I find the irony of your comment quite funny.

I'm assuming the previous comment about "core Western values" wasn't referring to "unfettered capitalism" but to stuff like "democracy", "respect of human rights", ... :-)

Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by hajile on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @09:22AM (#24765306)
Capitalism is fundamentally as flawed as people are -- but it beats everything else by a huge margin.

If you're going to parse hairs, democracy is inherently NOT a "western value". Alexander Hamilton went on at great length in the early federalist papers about the fate of democracies. All failed rather quickly. We formed a republic with democratic elements BECAUSE direct democracy is so tyrannical and doesn't protect minority groups leading to it's downfall. Despite all the complaints, I'd love to see a country throughout history with better treatment of minorities. That country just doesn't exist and countries making things better for minorities over time was even less known at the USA founding.

Finally, foreign affairs are much closer to anarcho-capitalism than anything which implies that anarcho-capitalism is the most free one could theoretically be (though the immediate fall into despotism would make the short-lived freedom of little value).

Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by someguydave on Thursday October 15, 2020 @11:49AM (#24789879)
Indeed, the biggest threat to the respecting minorities (also known as rule of law) in the US today are people and institutions spouting overheated rhetoric, implying that the US regime is just as bad as China's with respect to human rights.

This supposed lack of justice is then used as justification for destroying those institutions which do stand for rule of law in the US. In that way, those focused on this supposed lack of justice manifest their own fears.

Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by ksk on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @01:46PM (#24767886)
If you were a goat-herder being droned every other Tuesday, you'd change your mind.
Re:Apple iPhone 12: The chip advance set to make smartphones... by disown on Tuesday October 13, 2020 @01:35PM (#24767779)
> While I (as a German) agree that the US imperialism and dominance in high tech is a problem

Why is it a problem?

> I would not go as low and say the US is on the same level as China

Why not?

> which is an outright threat to all core values of the Western nations.

I see this mantra repeated over and over again? What are these core values of Western nations. Nazism, imperialism, neocolonialism, antifa? Or are you referring to the virtue signalers manifesto?